Real Street Fighting Moves

1. 
   NEIL NEAZER
   July 14th, 2009 on 4:27 pm

   True to the hitting the fleshy parts where the “chop” may be affective. Okay Captain Insaino, this is a bunch of bunk but the fact that he’s getting airtime and I;m here commenting on him is a bit disturbing to me but then again it’s all about marketing. If you were in a car will be attacked from the side but for the sake of his ULTIMATE system and the excellent techniques it has to be from the front or else it’ll show the gigantic size whole in his system. What about side stepping? What if I did that? The whole CHOP-O-MATIC response is stupendo. After 5 black belts and military training, THIS is the best you came up with? Really? And Special Forces are coming to you for training? They are better off getting videos and playing with that. A chin jab is not a bad idea good friend David but it would be good doubled with a throat strike. This course is suicidal at best a waste of money at worse. Captain Caveman should give it up and start baking cookies because I dont bite his teachings.

   Neil Neazer of ROUGHHOUSE TACTICS
   http://WWW.ROUGHHOUSETACTICS.US
2. 
   David D'Antonio, C.U.T.S. Critical Urnab Tactical Strategies
   July 15th, 2009 on 3:14 pm

   Neil:

   Absolutely bro, his double ching jad is weak at best, which is why I was saying a throat strike would be the call of the day in this case.

   This nuttbag needs to hand it up.

   I would hate to see the assasins he has supposedly taught!
3. 
   David D'Antonio, C.U.T.S. Critical Urnab Tactical Strategies
   July 15th, 2009 on 3:14 pm

   I meant to type “chin jab”…my mistake
4. 
   admin
   July 15th, 2009 on 3:25 pm

   David, you are funny. “I would hate to see the assassins he has supposedly taught!” Well, I think that I have found one of them. Did you see the post previous post on the coconut chopping karate champion? Thanks to him and the Captain, he has rid all of Europe of every evil coconut that has ever walked the streets of France, Italy and Germany. So don’t laugh.
5. 
   Ronin Kayne
   August 18th, 2009 on 1:33 pm

   Gentlemen,

   I have read your comments and would like to add that it is apparent you are both “trained” in some kind of martial art or some kind of combative sport. It is obvious that neither of you have actually looked, in depth, at the principles being described. I have and would like to offer some insight.

   I’m 41 years old, 6ft tall, and have weighed between 220 and 235 since I was around 18 years old. Over the years I’ve lifted weights & been a very physical person and unfortunately I have acquired some injuries over the years. Presently, I get about 9 hours of exercise in every week. I’ve been told that I have a linebacker’s build and that has served me well over the years to avoid confrontations. Even still, I have had some “altercations” and have always been aware that, in this violent world we live in, there may come a time when someone, either my size, or bigger, or a group of individuals might feel inclined to cause me or my loved ones injury or worse.

   Because of deep spiritual convictions I have always stayed away from long term exposure to martial arts or combative sports training, however, I have taken a few lessons here and there, watched a bunch of videos (Krav Maga, Brazilian jiu jitsu) to pick up some tools that might be useful if someone was to attack me. But I still wondered “Will it be enough?” It’s frustrating to think that you might not be able to protect the people you love, especially if you’re faced with some thug who might have some kind of training in boxing, or street fighting, or whatever.

   A realization came to me in 2001 while I was watching Tim Burton’s “Planet Of The Apes” with Mark Wahlberg. In one scene, two gorillas went at it and just started pounding on each other until one of them was dead. There was no technique, no fancy grabs, no gis, and no mats, just pure, non-target specific, feral brute force. (At the time, I didn’t know that I was looking at gross motor movment in action) I thought to myself “Wow, if a gorilla ever attacked a human that way there would be no way to defend…hey, wait a minute, if a HUMAN attacked another human that way…there would be NO WAY to defend against it!” I started looking for something that mimicked that kind of movement, but there was nothing.

   I went to a couple of martial arts guys and asked if such a technique was viable and they all told me “Nah, that would never work.” So, I took an introductory lesson at a Krav Maga studio and tried the “Gorilla pounding” I saw in the movie on one of the guys that was holding a pad for me. The force of the impact kept driving the guy back and I could tell that he was having a hard time keeping the pad up. I knew that if there had been no pad he would not have been able to square off or mount ANY kind of defense against the non-stop pounding. At the end of the session the guy holding the pad was out of breath and said “Damn! What kind of training do you have!?” I didn’t realize it, but I had discovered the power of the “Edge Of Hand” that Captain Chris teaches even though I didn’t know that’s what it is called. It is not just the hand it is the ENTIRE ARM, which if you watch gorillas as they fight is what they are using.

   In December of 2008, I was in CA training in some Urban Dance techniques and my instructor who happened to be a Brazilian Jiu Jistsu player decided to teach me a couple of things. When he got me on the ground I started twisting my body and throwing him around by using gross motor movement (I still did not know that’s what it was called). He was convinced that I had been through some kind of training, but in reality, I was just doing anything I could to get him off of me!

   Then one day, while trying to teach my wife how to handle a situation, she got frustrated and said “I’ll NEVER remember any of this! Isn’t there something simple that I can learn so I can get away in any situation?” I realized then that if I was ever going to feel confident that my wife could take care of herself if she was ever assaulted I would have to find something that would be easy to remember, simple to teach, and effective in any situation regardless of a person’s size or weight. Essentially I was looking for something that my 5ft 2 inch wife could use to take down a 6ft, over 200lb guy. And then I found Captain Chris’ site by coincidence.

   One of my dance students told me some time ago that she was assaulted and raped when she was younger. After going through the material I decided to teach her Close Combat system so she could take care of herself now that she is in college. After only a few hours we covered the material in the DVDs and during practice of how to get out of a two handed choke/collar grab, she clocked me in the jaw with a elbow shot that sent me reeling! The fortunate thing is that she wasn’t really TRYING to hurt me. I’m pretty sure that if she had put all of her body torque into that elbow she would have knocked me down, even though I’ve got about 80 lbs on her! After another session I came home with my arms sore from trying to block her “edge-of-hands.” She is only 18 or 19 years old and I have no doubt that she can take down a 41 year old, 235 lb guy in a matter of seconds!

   What Captain Chris talks about is the reality of what happens to the human body in “fight of flight” mode when the heart is racing at over 175 beats per minute. I just taught a lesson yesterday where all I did was yell and shake a student for a few seconds and her face turned beet red because of all the blood rushing to her head and all she could do was stand there and stutter for about thirty seconds because her heart was pounding. The worst part is I told her I was going to do it and it STILL immobilized her. THAT is what Piazzo is talking about. In a street scenario, freezing for even a few seconds could get you hurt or killed. At that heart rate the average person can’t even dial 911, much less remember how to punch or kick. I’ve been in that moment and have talked to other honest “trained” guys that were taken by surprise and they relate how they could not understand why their hands wouldn’t close to make a fist because their heart was racing so fast. Gross motor movement is all you have at that time. I’ve watched guys beating on each other with wide arc swinging arms because of fear induced stress.

   Let’s face it, as men we are naturally aggressive and know that at any time we might have to square off against someone. However, most of us know that we really won’t have to as long as we exude “alpha-ism.” The average woman, or man for that matter, who has never been in a dojo or never stepped into a ring, or sparred with someone is the more likely candidate to be attacked by some knucklehead in the street. Most people don’t spend years training their bodies and minds for “that moment” and they really can’t. All they’ll have if they are attacked is a racing heart and gross motor skills. Why not give them a handful of non-target specific tools that they don’t have to pass a “dan exam” to master and that might give them a fighting chance.

   What I find interesting is that most of the comments made about this “simple” system by martial artists are disparaging to say the least. As with all things people pick things apart and then try to discredit because the author is trying to make a living. I find it interesting because in his program he does not encourage anyone who is currently training in a cultural fighting art or combative sport to discontinue or replace that training with his. Instead he acknowledges the value of those lessons and merely says “Add these tools to your arsenal…just in case in an emergency that roundhouse kick or spinning backhand punch isn’t working for you.” Captain Chris is not teaching people how to fight, he is teaching how to think and use their natural body movement to give them an advantage so they can survive an attack.

   He is not the only person teaching these 7 “simple” tools.
   http://www.7most.com/

   Thanks for your time,

   Ronin Kayne
6. 
   admin
   August 18th, 2009 on 3:22 pm

   Dear Mr. Kayne,

   Yours is a most impassioned, elegant and well-expressed defense of Captain Chris. I applaud you. We do however, as you mention, advocate strongly gross motor street tactics much like the two gorillas that you mentioned.

   I have asked both David D’Antonio and Neil Neazer to respond to your comment. They are the ones most indicated for an apt reply.

   Again, thank you for the time to comment.

   Respectfully,

   Charles Prosper
7. 
   David D'Antonio, C.U.T.S. Critical Urnab Tactical Strategies
   August 18th, 2009 on 4:24 pm

   Mr Kayne:
   I will agree that your defense of Captain Chris is very well stated and well thought out, however, I need to point out several things that you had written which cause me concern.

   You make numerous mentions of brazilian ju jutsu, dojo and such. You also state that you purchased a bunch of DVD’s (including the Captains) and learned from there.
   I personally have 31 years of solid training in various martial arts disciplines (Ninjutsu, TKD, aikido, Krav Maga) as well as real world experience as a bouncer, body guard and private security and loss prevention plain clothes , just to name a few things. I grew up in one of the roughest parts of Philadelphia, and have worked in some of the roughest clubs and bars. I have seen my share of scaps, and been in my share as well.
   I wont lie like many do and go on to tell you I have thousands of street fights and have crippled more that one man, those kinds of claims are ridiculous at best. But I will say I have been in fights.
   I did not learn from videos like you. My skill is not theory like yours. My students come to me because they know what they are getting was born out of real world experience.
   You mention your Krav Maga experince with you gorilla pounding the pad being held. I bet it sent the guy holding the pad reeloing backwards. I have no doubt it did.
   Answer me this:
   DID HE MAKE ANY ATTEMPT TO RESIST YOU , COUNTER YOU, MOVE OUT OF THE WAY OR ANY OTHER “REAL” TYPE OF MOVEMENT? Or did he simply hold the pad and let you wail it. Im sure it was the latter of the two.
   Do you think some thug on the street will allow you to pound him “gorilla style” without doing something back to you. Maybe pull out a gun or knife?
   Your female friend who clocked you with an elbow…were you resisting, did she keep on attacking when she had you stunned/
   If you did not resist her, or if she did not learn to follow up….then your training is lacking and therefor will get you killed in a real fight.
   Train real, resisting opponents and continuous attack against a resisting opponent….sounds like you have half (maybe) of the equation.
   Im not trying to bash you my man, just trying to make you see the reality of REALITY!
   You say you have dabbled in the fighting arts (whether they are reality based or sport or traditional) off and on. Would you trust a brain surgeon to operate on your wife if he dabbled off and on in his field. Why then are you teaching people you love these techniques when you have no real know how in what is rteal fighting and what is “boxed and packaged nicely” for sale fighting.
   Just in reading your post I see several very scarey tactical training mistakes thhat will leave you for the worse if you apply what you are doing under a stressful combat situation.
   Im glad you have faith in what you do…..but the guys who built the Titanic had faith that their ship was unsinkable…….
   I look forward to your comments
   As always
   be safe and keep it real
8. 
   NEIL NEAZER
   August 21st, 2009 on 5:33 pm

   Mr.
9. 
   NEIL NEAZER
   August 21st, 2009 on 6:11 pm

   Mr. Ronin Kayne. Can you use Mr. Captain Videos “techniques” in a car? No. Why? Because it uses too much space. Did you bother to look at my website on GROSS MOTOR and how it pertains to the human body? If you lift your arms up in the air and drop it, it signals the attacker to move. Do you see what I’m about to get at? The 1st thing is to be ABLE to access your fighting tools. Depending on the situation, you may not be able to. The fight or flight (really freeze, fight or flight: read up on it) is a part of the situation before you actually do anything. Then you have to be emotionally, physically and mentally ready to perform any type of aggressive attack. Techniques? They turn to s*&^ when violent pressure comes into the equation. I can tell you for a fact. Here’s an example:
   I just did a course for weapons protection and then a instructors course in the S.P.E.A.R. SYSTEM in Virginia Beach. We had to do a last “fight” in order for us to pass. I was in the fight house and waited for the scenario to begin (waiting for my “attacker”). When he came around the corner yelling “MOTHER F*&^%$” I quickly froze before I can get a shot off. Now Captain Kris neglects this in his training and so do a lot of other systems/styles. Chris does NOT teach you how to think because if that was the case, he would instruct PRINCIPLES instead of TECHNIQUES. Correct? Showing principles allows the students to apply these guidelines to any martial art of their practice not only have application in this particular system. Like you mentioned on an average woman & man (I would stress woman because they are weaker and that is by human bio-mechanics and physiology; that should be in your equation when you are doing self preservation) because if she can do it with the least amount of effort than a man can do it too. I understand the author is trying to make a living but if my wife were to practice this system and she gets raped or worse, should I be okay with that even if this system sucks? I mean hay, he’s making a living, right? How would you feel if it was your wife of the scenario I just mentioned about my wife? Would it be okay and would it be him “JUST MAKING A LIVING?”
   Talking about the EDGE OF HAND, how will that help in a low ceiling situation? A car? On a bed? On a bench? Being held up off the ground? On the floor? Get back to me on that.
10. 
    Ronin Kayne
    August 21st, 2009 on 9:41 pm

    Great arguments gentlemen,

    So, let me see if I undrstand this correctly…unless I have 30 years of solid training in Ninjutsu, TKD, aikido, Krav Maga, or a belt of some kind I have no hope. Is that it?

    How do you know that I don’t resist when I teach my students? How do you know that I have never had “real” fights? or faced multiple attackers at the same time? How do you know that I haven’t sparred with individuals who have JKD, Aikido, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Escrima, and Boxing under THEIR belts? How could you know? You don’t. You’re ASSUMING that I have never faced others in combat. And you are mistaken.

    You know, I walked into an MMA studio last year and I asked the owner specifically for a handful of attacks that would work in any situation. He very nicely tried to sell me $650.00 in lessons. I would have been happy to pay that money if I wasn’t sure that at the end of that run I wasn’t going to be told that I needed to buy another package because, of course “how could I learn to defend myself in ten lessons…” right…

    The fact of the matter is that in my experience, all systems are “for sale.” EVERYTHING is a business. So one guy, or several guys go out and create a simple system and they are scam artists trying to “get rich” because they sell DVD instructionals. But the Krav Maga, Tae Kwon Do, MMA Studios, Karate schools, etc. are not even though they get you to commit for YEARS and THOUSANDS of dollars. No, because they are “real” and “effective.”

    One of my dance students is a 14 year old black belt in Tang Su Do. She has been training since she was four, so, ten years of training. We were in my studio one day when I decided to test her without letting her know. Without warning I yelled really loud and rushed her. Care to guess what happened?

    This solidly trained, ten year Tang Su Do student, after all that practice, all those tournaments, all those trophies, all that board breaking and all those beautifully complicated pre-arranged attack /defense /counterattack sequences…DID NOT try to block, or kick or strike. Instead she screamed and covered her face like a the 14 year old she is and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING while I bear hugged her and dragged her around the room.

    I wonder why all of her training failed to engage? If after TEN YEARS of training she couldn’t even get off a simple front kick before I grabbed her, what hope do all of the “untrained” people have? Right.

    The fact is she froze. Like anyone else that is suddenly startled & whose heart rate jumps to 145-180 bpm she lost cognitive ability, fine and complex motor control & natural submissiveness set in.

    She was taught an art form based in martial theory. When the chips are down it won’t make a difference because her heart will be racing so fast that she will go into fight or flight mode and she won’t be able to remember any of it. It is for THAT reason that many “trained” fighters have their butts handed to them in a street fight. Perhaps she needs another 21 years of solid training before she will be proficient. The average mother of three doesn’t have three decades to train so she can have a fighting chance to protect herself from some idiot that’s trying to rape her or hurt her kids.

    According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, more than 246,180 rapes or sexual assaults occurred in 2000 occurred among females (Department of Justice 2001). One out of every six American women have been the victims of an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime. The National College Women Sexual Victimization Study estimated that between 1 in 4 and 1 in 5 college women experience completed or attempted rape during their college years (Fisher 2000). These are the facts.

    My student is leaving to head back to college on Monday. During her last lesson I came at her full force. I grabbed her by the hair, pushed her into the wall, choked her with both hands, bear hugged her, head locked her, grabbed her every way she could be grabbed, I threw her to the ground and landed on her in full mount position, I got between her legs and did EVERYTHING that would happen to her during a “real” attack. Last week, before we began, she knew NOTHING, however, unlike my Tang Su Do black belt, this girl fought back and followed through EVERY time. I have the bruises, scrapes, and bite marks to prove it. I know she will never be raped again. And THAT is all that is important to me.

    She will NEVER forget what I have taught her because she will go back and teach ALL of her sorority sisters what I have taught her. NO, I did not teach her to fight, I taught her to think and keep her wits about her, even if she is afraid. I taught her to NEVER stop hitting, NO MATTER WHAT, until her attacker is down. I taught her to NEVER comply with an attacker, but to become the attacker. I gave her a handful of tools that are not hard to remember so that she can push an attacker back until she either slams or stomps his head into the ground. I taught her to NEVER turn her back on an attacker. I taught her that THERE ARE NO RULES, NO REGULATIONS, NO REFEREES, NO TIMEOUTS, AND NO BELLS; it’s not about points or certificates, or applause, or recognition, or achievement, IT’S ABOUT SURVIVAL! I taught her to bite, spit, scratch, gouge, and do WHATEVER it takes to win. I taught her to fight like her life depends on it, BECAUSE IT DOES. I didn’t make her into a martial “artist” I made her into a warrior.

    Don’t misunderstand, gentlemen, I respect the fact that you have dedicated so many years to training in these arts and are no doubt proficient at what you do. By virtue of that fact you are protected. The chances that the average thug would select you for an attack are low because when you are trained you radiate it. Your confidence and energy surround you like an aura of power. And now, so does my student. And when she is done, so will her sorority sisters. They will stand differently. They will be more aware. They always keep their hands above the person in front of them. They may be taken by surprise, but at least they will not be “helpless.” By virtue of this fact they will no longer be first choice TARGETS.

    I will end with this:

    Two celebrity friends of mine have been training & teaching in several styles of “submit” fighting for nearly 20 years and who are around fighting ALL THE TIME were recently in France on tour.

    Upon their return to the States one of them called me to tell me about their trip. During a premier it seems that some disagreement arose between them and the promoters of the event as well as members of the promoters entourage. In short my two friends were attacked.

    Long story short, these two brothers who are well trained, very knowledgeable men who have YEARS of fighting experience, found themselves fighting ONE guy who had pinned one of them on the ground (who could not get up) EVEN though the second brother tried to get him to release the first brother by applying a choke. He told me that he was trying his best and could not get that guy to release his brother no matter how hard he was choking the guy. Finally, after what seemed like an eternity the guy finally started to go limp, but not before one of his buddies broke a chair on my friend’s back.

    Me? I would have hammer handed the guy in the jaw till he passed out instead of turning back to his co-conspiritors. But hey, we can all make assessments AFTER the fact when we are not in “that” moment.

    And as far a MY wife is concerned…well, I feel a swell of pity of the guy that makes the mistake of trying get at her. The cops will be finding pieces of him all over the place.

    I know…you don’t approve. But that is okay. I am a warrior. I approve of myself. And if its me or some thug…I know what I KNOW, so, my money is on me.

    Respectfully,

    Ronin Kayne
11. 
    NEIL NEAZER
    August 22nd, 2009 on 6:37 am

    And as far a MY wife is concerned…well, I feel a swell of pity of the guy that makes the mistake of trying get at her. The cops will be finding pieces of him all over the place. I’m glad you see you dont need years of practice to really learn how to fight. Now that doesn’t answer my question about the author’s right to “MAKE A LIVING”; teaching something that doesn’t work. Especially under stress when 2 or more thugs or murderers attack. I use the PLUS 1 theory: always assume and train for an attacker PLUS 1 more. How would you feel I ask about your wife and not mine NOT WOULD YOU DO. Please read carefully of the question I asked. A lot of styles work in a training hall with rules and AC blasting during the summer and heat during the winter. Because of complex skills in a stressful altercation those skills will go out the window unless you can slow the attacker down with primal actions THEN go to your complex motor skills. KRAV MAGA utilizes POWER SHOTS…all shots from the rear for power and the problem with that my friend is that they are telegraphic movements. All styles are nice for traditional sake but for real self defense you can bet you’ll be fighting for your life.
    I also asked if you could use Captain Chris’ system in confined quarters. You have not responded to that either. What if I had a rotator cuff problem and can’t call upon my ROCK’EM SOCK’EM ROBOT technique?Thats true self defense. You are attacked anywhere by anybody. Not to mention his self defense is linear and doesn’t have lateral movements. Yes I know, drive the attacker back. WHAT IF……………? Murphy the action, moment, technique. See what could go wrong then work on the problem. Styles dont do that. They have their own pre arranged way of dealing with it.
    You mentioned sir that you teach your students to think. How? In what aspect? Are you teaching principles like I mentioned that can be integrated into styles. Or “JUST KEEP YOUR HANDS UP AND BOB & WEAVE?” which is a poor way to live and a great way to die. I do not teach combatives sport I teach survival and I do it outdoors, in a staircase, elevator, in parks so my system is a bit different than yours and I’m really trying to stay clear of MY STYLE IS BETTER THAN YOURS rant, but do you see what I’m getting at RONIN? Let me give you a small list and truly ask yourself if your style can be accessed in this list:

    BUS * CAR * TRAIN (MOVING) * CLUBS * PLANE (VERY TIGHT AISLES THEY HAVE) * STAIRWELLS- ON THE STEPS * RESTROOMS.

    How about on :
    ICE * GRAVEL * HILL * WATER *

    And this is just the basic list because there is more. The story you mentioned about your buddies getting slapped is very true as in a realistic fight (dont tell me you would go to the ground in a street fight please!!!) . Because of the primal rage and actions they were slapped. Martial arts DOES NOT teach you to deal with that type of attack and if they do it’ll be the way the style “feels” it is to be done so they could show that their style works. Do you know how many magazines I have seen wit ha Japanese style fight against a “boxer” and the boxer is throwing a punch the way a Japanese practitioner of that style would throw it and not a real boxer? Hows that for effective?
    Can your system and Capt. Chris’ system work on a guy who is high on drugs and is now almost impervious to pain? Because their min is not set to normal and the pain signals are out of whack when you strike they are not affected. Have you tried that with the female student of yours going off to college or the other young lady? Can they fight from their backs and not just jiujitsu or whatever?

    The reason your student froze was because of a system overload…too much info at once which is the attack at full force. Most, if not, all systems/styles (mostly styles) will crack under extreme pressure. Under certain circumstances you may be able to call upon your martial training and again certain and it may be an officer, security guard or anyone within those fields and thats as long as they are using their awareness and most likely the situation was not that severe. And it’s: FREEZE, FIGHT OR FLIGHT. FREEZE is first and it’s always there. ALWAYS. Then the dreaded FIGHT or FLIGHT. Covering the face is an embedded primal protective reaction that we ALL have. You have done it. I have done it. You can’t tell me otherwise. Because students are taught in a sport module and not a real fight module that is why she failed as others will. Scenarios should be incorporated in the teachings which I am sure you do not do. Thats important because thats when they’ll see what they can do and what they should work on. It gauges their abilities to get into the fight. Engage when needed. Do what is needed. When they do it in a scenario at different speeds starting slow then ramping it up with a “GOOD BAD GUY” not feeding her the easy shots then and only then can they begin to learn and have a belief in their style from their training. I have a student, male 24 & overweight. He was attacked in a subway car here in New York @ 2a.m. 4 guys approached him and his drunken buddy from both sides of the car. Now they were not crowing around him so you know but 1 did get close and asked for a $1. He knew what this meant but decided to give him the $1 from his sweater pocket. As soon as he was about to give it to him (arm being out reached) the thug grabbed my students arm. My student jumped out of his seat and slammed the attacker to the wall. Another guy can from his left and out went the left elbow. A 3rd went for the bear hug and got some of it on. A “rising headbutt” (no such thing. He stomped on the attackers foot and after just stood up and slammed the right side of his head into the bottom part of the guys face). The other nutbag ran. Now my point? We never practiced and left outward elbow. Just elbow shots. The Foot stomp & headbutt? We played with the idea 1 day but we dont do techniques just scenarios that prepare you for the real thing hence my story. OVERWEIGHT!! GUIDELINES!!! You see my point RONIN KAYNE? The train was moving at that! Feel free to look at my website. I await your next comment thank you much.

    Neil Neazer
    ROUGHHOUSE TACTICS
12. 
    Ronin Kayne
    August 22nd, 2009 on 8:13 pm

    Neil,

    I took a look at your site. I understand where you’re coming from. We are on a very similar track. The movements I teach my students are very compact and can be used in close quarters and would work in any environment. The movements are basic gross motor. Many elbow shots, similar to what you are doing. The movements I’m teaching can be done from a seated position and are essentially the same tools you use standing up. The moves are drilled over and over till they become second nature. We work at top speed from go. I explain slow a few times then we go all out. Because the movement is simple it does not take an eternity to learn.

    Stance is always staggered so the student can’t be pushed back or knocked to the ground. I DO NOT teach students to go to the ground and I would not want to go to ground with an attacker unless it happens unintentionally.

    I teach that where the head goes the body will follow. So, we control the head with palm strikes and chin jab. We don’t respond to what an attacker does we respond to the direction they are coming from. Front, back, left, right, diagonal front left or right, diagonal back left or right. The response is always the same no matter what direction an attacker comes from.

    Stop their forward movement with a kick to shin, midsection, groin. Before your foot hits the ground we drive forward into the attacker with short & long hacks using the whole arm and elbows. The whole attacker is the target. Even if the attacker puts up their arms to block we attack the arms hitting the muscles in the forearms and side of the arms to injure the tendons that control the fingers/hands.

    Objective is always to drive the attacker back onto their heels and off balance. Ultimately to drive their head into the ground. As you show in several of your videos we take the attacker to the ground. The difference between us is that I teach my girls to either follow the down and slam their head into the ground or stomp their head once they are down.

    If they are bear hugged – Sprawl to prevent being picked up, while lifing the arm to break the hold and IMMEDIATELY drive in with hacks and elbows, palm strikes to the head to drive them to the floor. On a personal note, anyone who tries to bear hug me will be immediately head butted and will more likely have an ear bitten off before they know what hit them.

    Any time we are grabbed we know the grab is not the attack it is the prelude to the attack, either the yank to pull us off balance or the punch that is coming. As soon as an attacker grabs a wrist we deliver a palm strike to the opposite shoulder to stop the coming punch and IMMEDIATELY attack the hand that grabbed our wrist with hacks to the arm which again, injures the muscle tissue and tendons that control the fingers. Then DRIVE into the attacker-control the head, post the back to bend them & drive them into the concrete.

    I also teach that hip check roll in the event someone does end up in full mount position on the ground (last resort). I teach that you need to get to your feet ASAP to end the attack. If the student is knocked to the ground while the attacker is still standing then they are taught to keep their legs between them and their attacker.

    This is the gist but certainly not all of what I teach and, believe it or not, what Captain Chris goes into in his program. The extensive program he sells.

    We are saying the same things differently. Now that I’ve seen your site I see better what you are talking about and I agree with your philosphy of non-complex “bare bones” concepts that can be used in any situation.

    I would even be willing to take your course to see the differences between executions.

    There is an story of a young man who wanted to gain the ultimate knowledge. So he traveled abroad to find what he was looking for. After many years of travel and study he came to a village where he was told that an ancient hermit that lived on a nearby mountain possessed the ultimate knowledge he was seeking. So, the young man headed to the mountain and began his climb. Near the summit he reached a plateu upon which he found a small structure that he knew must be the home of the hermit.

    He knocked at the door and heard a small voice inside bid him enter. Inside the spartan hovel was a frail looking old man. The old man was dressed in sack cloth and had almost no teeth remaining. In a weak voice he asked the visitor “What do you seek?”

    “I seek the ultimate knowledge” said the young man.

    “Ah…” said the old man with a smile. “Then I shall make some tea.”
    As the old man worked he asked questions of the younger man. “What have you learned thus far? Where have you been?”

    The young man proceed to tell the ancient one of all the schools he had studied at, and all of the lands he had visited. And the water boiled. The young man spoke of the temples he had seen and the oceans he had crossed as the old man handed him a tea cup. And the young man recounted the many books he had read and the many scholars and learned men he has associated with. And the old man poured the tea as the young man went on and on and the tea overflowed and scalded the young man’s hand. And the young man screamed “Stupid old man! What are you doing?”

    The old man smiled and replied simply “Young man, if your cup is already full how will you ever fit anything else in it?”

    The moral is that we must always leave room for further learning. We cannot look at the perspective of another with judgement based on our own experience in our own universe. It is only when we stop judging and start trying to see from another perspective that we grow. Your system is not BETTER than Captain Chris’ and his is not BETTER than yours or mine. It is not even “his” system according to him. What we have are merely DIFFERENT ways of dealing with similar scenarios. This is the ultimate knowledge – to learn. From everyone and every thing. Adapt what you learn into something that works for you. It was what Bruce Lee meant when he said “Be like water, my friend…”

    By the way, are you in the Bronx? Is that Tracy Towers in the background of one of your pics?

    Respectfully,

    Ronin Kayne
13. 
    NEIL NEAZER
    August 22nd, 2009 on 8:54 pm

    It is not TRACY TOWERS but CO-OP CITY. Glad you got a chance to peruse my site.
14. 
    NEIL NEAZER
    August 22nd, 2009 on 9:33 pm

    Contact me. My contacts are on my website. Looking forward to hearing from you.
15. 
    Charles Prosper
    August 22nd, 2009 on 10:11 pm

    Mr. Kayne,

    Would you contact me at cprosper@prosperballoons.com. I would like to be a guest blog post contributor for RealStreetFightingMoves.com. If you have a small video clip of one of your essential techniques from 1 to 3 minutes and a paragraph or two of commentary, I would like to feature you. This is a well-visited blog, and it would mean great exposure for you, and it would of course enrich the content of this site. You are also welcome to include your link at the end of your blog post.

    Regards,

    Charles Prosper
16. 
    Toby Madden
    September 25th, 2009 on 8:52 pm

    The basic strategies and utilization of gross motor philosophy is great especially if coupled with force manipulation, which everyone does inherently (as in tai-chi, which i practice on a daily basis now….AKA grace). After only 6 months of training in jeet kun do, my sensei told me I would need no further training. Why? He said “once one knows the basics (gross motor) and trains their body into grace, daily routines in slow motion (as in tai-chi) embed the philosophies into your muscles”..he suggested tai-chi (or Energy in Motion) to expand on my awareness of time even when we seem to move through jelly. (I’ll get to that)

    I’ve kept my body in shape for 12 years (getting a little chubby now that I’m married, lol) by eating a primarily vegetarian diet, exercise in all daily activities, and clearing my mind when i wake up….this meditative daily routine keeps the muscles of the body and the mind completely relaxed even during adrenaline-pumping moments.

    Chris’s tactics (as far as i can tell without watching his whole spiel) are the basis one needs to expand their reactionary potential during an adrenaline rush…knowing the basic motor functions of the body is one step; practicing them in a relaxed and unthinking state imprints them into your instinctual index and allows you to utilize them and improvise on them when you are in adrenaline mode

    There are 2 modes of seeing time: the normal day-to-day detail-catching mode, and the slow motion effect experienced during adrenaline rush. What few people know is that the slowing affect can be used more efficiently when they live in a perpetually relaxed state, letting you react to detail rather than the whole situation (most people interviewed regarding the adrenaline rush say their actions were not the most efficient or effective they could have done, in hindsight)

    Adrenaline is the body’s version of PCP: it shuts down your unnecessary functions like digestion and suppresses the immune system while systematically increasing fermentation in the muscles, making you stronger. When you slow, the extra oxygen hitting your brain causes an “alert” state that shuts down primary thinking processes, but ingrained processes (like those exercised in a relaxed state) are still accessible. So Chris’s system does work, but I would suggest practicing the motions with a totally clear mind every day and keeping the body fit (which everyone should do, anyway!)

    Just my 2 cents

    /Toby
17. 
    David D'Antonio C.U.T.S. Critical Urban Tactical Strategies
    September 25th, 2009 on 10:11 pm

    Toby:

    My man, Im going to be very very blunt, so please take this as a helping yet stern hand.
    Ask yourself these questions:
    Have you ever:
    1: been threatened with a gun, knife or other weapon
    2: worked in a position that places you daily in harms way
    3: faced multiple attackers
    4: been in a real fight as an adult
    5: trained under an instructor that has experience in any of the above

    Now ask your self this:
    do you
    1: train with a compliant training partner, or do they resist your techniques
    2: do you train against a one punch frozen (as in punch and leve it there) technique
    3: practice under stressful scenarios or use situaltional drills
    4: practice precision and SPEED.

    Bro, here is the thing… You need to train the way you intend to SURVIVE. A bit of pain in training saves you a ton of pain in combat. If you train slowly, unrealisticly and to be blunt..tip toe pussy foot around in your training….you get dead in combat. You must train the way you intend to work in a stressful life and death situation.
    There is no reality in a slowly practiced unrealistic pansy ass technie on the stree or the battlefield. Do you think that speed and precision just come to you because you trained to place the philosophy in your muscles….tell thatto the guy who has a knife to your thraot while his buddy has a gun to your wifes head ready to rape her….can you handle that situation. How about the guy car jacking you and your baby is in the back seat and your wife is next to you. His gun is to your head. What do you do. Tai chi push hands aint gonna work bro.

    I agree that real personal protection does not take a lifetime to learn, and after a short time you can be a very nasty streeet fighter, and that practicing often is a great idea to keep your techniques sharp…IF YOU TRAIN IN A REALITY BASED ART…AND DO SO WITH THE CORRECT MIND SET.
    It seems like your on the right track, but found a bump in the road with some bad advice. So here is my 100 bucks worth in reply to your two cents.
    As always be safe and keep it real
18. 
    Toby Madden
    September 26th, 2009 on 9:04 am

    My little post was not a full explanation…Let me clarify:

    Firstly, yes i have been threatened with a knife, a baseball bat, and a stave; the stave was the worst.

    Secondly, I worked at a gas station for graveyard shift but was never in danger (that I could tell)

    Thirdly, I have been assaulted by a duo of idiocy but when asserting my confidence in the situation, made them go away.

    Fourthly, Yes I have…the guy was twice my size, an old Vietnam vet, pissed off and drunk and I said something he didnt like, so he pushed me, and as he did i grabbed his hand and threw him into a cast iron stove which broke his jaw and dislocated his shoulder; all total reflex because i was in shock it was happening.

    Fifthly, my sensei picked up jeet kun do in the 80s and was in the gulf war in the 90s, so i assume so.

    For the second set of questions:

    1. I periodically spar with my brother who has studied aikido for years

    2. punch and leave it there? pressure training? if thats what you mean, yes

    3. I train despite my daily stress levels, and we change scenery

    4. I exercise in slow motion, i don’t spar in slow motion; i have always been fast, and my hands are very fast indeed. For precision, I practice Chinese broadsword; few weapons can be as precise as that (sword is an extension of your arm)

    So in essence, without ego, i can say yes to your questions. If someone were to put a gun to my head while i was in my car, he would end up with his face pressed against my horn and his arm broken. So I can take care of me and mine. Above post was for Ronin, something he could use to help his wife

    P.S. tai-chi is not a martial art, it’s a philosophy: When an opponent throws a punch, a kick, charges; he gives you his energy and you can do with it what you will. 4 ounces deflects 4000 lbs. Have you ever fought a master of tai-chi? you land few, if any, hits on them and usually end up throwing yourself around instead; that’s why i got into it.
19. 
    NEIL NEAZER
    September 28th, 2009 on 9:52 am

    Fourthly, Yes I have…the guy was twice my size, an old Vietnam vet, pissed off and drunk and I said something he didnt like, so he pushed me, and as he did i grabbed his hand and threw him into a cast iron stove which broke his jaw and dislocated his shoulder; all total reflex because i was in shock it was happening.
    NOT TO BASH THIS BUT…….He was drunk; not very hard to take care of; Vietnam vet; so? Not to disrespect them because I have respect for them but unless he was in ‘NAM @ 18 years old, not really scared and being in anything doesn’t really mean anything. It’s like you’re telling me you’re a BLACK BELT. SO? Unless it means something to you it won’t mean a thing.
    1. I periodically spar with my brother who has studied aikido for years

    2. punch and leave it there? pressure training? if thats what you mean, yes

    3. I train despite my daily stress levels, and we change scenery

    4. I exercise in slow motion, i don’t spar in slow motion; i have always been fast, and my hands are very fast indeed
    PUNCH & LEAVE IT THERE? For what? Thats a set up for failure. What does that do? How does that help?
    CHANGE SCENERY? Do you train in a small stairwell? Dimly lit? A car? A moving car? A moving train( I have and have video to prove it!!)? JEET KUNE DO is a glorified kick boxing ART. It is no longer a freestyle system it once was. Because you train in styles and not real principles that apply to everything. A principle you can apply to anything that can fit anywhere is worth doing not only apply to that specific art.

    You exuded confidence thus thwarting 2 thugs. Ok but thats with everyone. If you look like a punk, you get punked. My wife did that and she’s 5′3.
    I’m not here to bash you but some of the your posts actually screams at me to do so.
    ADRENALINE DUMP. It enhances your system, super charges your body. tightens your muscles allowing you to withstand blows, NOT ALL, and continue because its a HUMAN DEFENSE SURVIVAL SYSTEM. Our body tightens, I’ll tell you what I mean by this, because when you get stabbed or cut, you bleed less until your dump subsides. Then if its a bad cut or stab you will start to hemorrhage more. Ever got hit and didnt feel it until later? TA-DA. Ever lifted something heavy but didnt seem like it and then try to do the same thing only to find out you can’t? The only way you will lose to a TAI CHI master is if you had to fight the way he fought. That goes with every planned fight. I guarantee that if I was enraged and he and I were I a fight h will have problems because;
    1 They do NOT train for realistic fights
    2 They dont train for realistic rage attacks
    3 they can not perform on unbalanced grounds. They play indoors in a nice padded studio.
    Look at my website then lets get back to round 2 of our convo.
20. 
    NEIL NEAZER
    September 28th, 2009 on 9:53 am

    http://www.roughhousetactics.us
    is my site
21. 
    Toby Madden
    September 28th, 2009 on 11:53 pm

    You seem a bit misinformed: Jeet kune do as practiced by military is not glorified art, it’s a “kill as quickly as possible, or render your opponent worthless in 3 seconds” discipline, and contains all the original Lee principles (born of a lifetime of study and meditation on the subject)..after i had learned all the principles and my sensei thought I didn’t need any more training due to my reaction time and diligence in exercises, I left and began studying the typical opposite: Tai chi.

    Tai chi chuan does indeed have principles, and is usually the most powerful defensive martial fighting discipline when it is understood to it’s fullest extent; if you want a crash course on tai chi and it’s variety of styles (all adaptable to the person, or can be improvised on), check it’s wikipedia page; primarily, the only force exerted is deflective force; tai-chi training keeps the brain on detail check while experiencing an adrenaline rush; every force cries out to be manipulated and controlled by an outside source that recognizes it’s source and direction (punching at a 30+ psi stream of water will give you an idea, except imagine the water intercepting your fist and bending it back towards you…you should learn the sticky hands discipline sometime). There are 3 modes of exercise for it: slow-motion (clearing of the mind, conditioning the body to be able to withstand strains for long periods), yoga-like stretches (building endurance and elasticity), and isometrics (toning the muscles to balance forces)…every other exercise is a bonus (running for stamina, weight lifting for additional strength) and is suggested but not necessary. Having studied jeet kune do (original principles, which include tactical ninjitsu elements) and tai chi, I can say I can hold my hold on almost any non-extreme terrain. We won’t go into shattered glass walkways in this debate ; ).

    Am I capable of taking on 3+ people at once? Likely not. The likely hood of that scenario is quite low…Honestly: few trained fighters can take on 3 or more even moderately trained fighters at once, especially if those fighters’ movements are cooperative of each other (which any group of fighters will be)….any fighter who claims they can defeat them, without prior knowledge of their opponents, is egotistical and, thus, overconfident *the true weakness*

    The vet is my only adult fight (luck or exudation of confidence, whatever), my training with my brother has been strange places we end up in and decide to train in (from beach sand to forest to parking lots to trash-strewn alleyways)…my experiences have prepared me for dangerous situations, should any ever happen; I have checked your website out, and much of the stuff discussed is known to me. Am I a master? no, but real masters don’t claim they are anyway ; ) Competent? yes…confident? yes…Not overconfident: I have things worth fighting for, and I conditioned my body and my mind to deal accordingly with threats to those things; you cannot ask of anything more from a father and husband.

    You say you are not here to bash, but rather than applaud or take note of good things in others’ posts you whip out your cock-meter and start measuring; this is not a cock competition; I tossed in some technical information for Ronin, and got a cock challenge. If you honor your discipline (anything is a discipline if you make it more than a hobby), you would not stoop to proclamations of sovereignty or superiority over someone who has no interest nor finds them impressive.

    P.S. You forgot to mention that adrenaline rushes cause a stupefying effect on the body conditioning when it has not become instinct (alot harder to do than training in a variety of atmospheres and terrains) or the mind has not been conditioned to perform during the extreme atmosphere thus created; the story is indeed true: If someone does not go out of their way to train their mind to perform during crisis, they will not perform fast enough to make a difference.
22. 
    NEIL NEAZER
    September 29th, 2009 on 3:27 pm

    Hello and good day. Today I will NOT be implementing my COCK METER for this commentary debate. JKD is NOT, NOT ,NOT a kill or be kill art/system/combatives, whatever you would like to place it under as. I know because (GOD, here comes the COCK METER) I have trained in 2 schools of JKD here in NEW YORK CITY. I would like a statement where you can prove that JKD is taught to the military. Thats like saying that my system is taught to the military (AGAIN I HAVE VIDEO TO PROVE THAT I HAVE TRAINED A SMALL GROUP OF MILITARY INDIVIDUALS; COAST GUARD IN KODIAK ALASKA. As absurd as that may sound it is truth and look on my website to see it or youtube.) Look at JKD: THEY BOX, THEN KICK, THEN KICK BOX. Tell me when I am wrong here. Then they start to go from style to style showing you that STYLES WIN THE FIGHT. I have to say this: THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT. Why you ask? I have an example: I work wit ha guy who is 6 ft 265 pounds. Now, this man can fight. He is a JUDO player. But he is one of those guys that, no matter what he trains in he’ll kick your ass. Anyone (well you know what I mean). Now if you have a small 150 5′5 man and uses his style against this man, he’s toast. Period. Gross motor sets and basic fight principles will work against him as long as you dont become your style which you believe you need to be. Now can this man fight JUDO. Yes. Does he need it. No. You bring up style after style here in this forum as if they were the secrets to self preservation. There are more people in the world that survived violent attacks without any form of martial art (this meaning traditional arts) than those that have survived. As for the adrenaline thing, you are BORN WITH NATURAL INSTINCTIVE MOVES TO SURVIVE. I bet you think I’m wrong. Guesssssss what IIIII haaaaave? An example. TADA. If you were jumped, even after a long session at the dojo, studio,kwoon, training hall, you will be scared and be startled, no? You know what happens when you are startled? You jump. Your hands almost automatically come up to protect your central command center……YOUR HEAD. I’m sure sense you read this on my site you already know this too because you said you basically know whatever I have mentioned on my site. This is A totally NATURAL HUMAN DEFENSE TACTIC that we are born with. Now back to what I was saying. You will jump and do pretty much what I just stated before you even go into your techniques. PHYSIOLOGY OVERRIDES COGNITIVE RESPONSES. Please tell me when I am wrong because, guess what? it is proven fact. Please take the time to read any book on the brain and our reflex, reactive, instinctual response. Have you ever heard of TONY BLAUER? He uses this as his main focus on real self defense BEFORE you even start to hit back. Cerebral training is key over physical training. No matter what “soft style” you practice and move your hands in circles, they will not teach this.
    You sound, to me on this forum anyway, like to look at the flowing traditional, graceful, flute playing, “self defense” that you see in BLACK BELT magazine. Again because you look at styles over real, practical, common sense self defense. Oh, I almost forgot what I was telling you before. You will scratch, bite, poke, rake, spit, rip, tear and any other word I couldn’t think of to place here, before you get into your horse stance, crane stance, tiger stance, iron wall stance. You will not and I can prove it yet again. You feel I pull out the COCK METER here but everything I say here I can prove with no problem. I have studied, dabbled, in traditional arts and eclectic arts and self defense stuff and thats why I can say what I say here. Do I know it all? HELL NO. But I can point out bullshit pretty good though. I do research on my own and try it lab style and see will it work on WOMEN and then men. If SHE can do it I know I CAN do it because for the most part men are stronger than women. We just cant push bowling balls out our ass and still cook dinner but thats different.
    Do I want people to find me impressive? NO. I want them to find that I am knowledgeable in what I instruct and show science behind everything I do so they can really see not just “LISTEN TO ME BECAUSE THIS IS THAT WAY IT IS FOR THE PAST 2000 YEARS AND IT WILL ALWAYS STAND THE TEST OF TIME AND BE SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHER STYLES”. Street fights are chaotic at worst and at best. You can not use grace on the street. I a tourney? Yes. Judges like to see that. The control. The flowing from 1 technique to the next using complex motor sets. Do you really feel that using COMPLEX motor sets in a street fight is best for you than gross motor sets? Gross motor sets we are born with so just use that and build on that. JKD is a mixture of complex skills (I dont recall any type of tactical ninjitsu elements stuff there at all and the 3 second thing? Not realistic but who am I to talk, eh). Complexity over practicality is just plain suicide. If you have to remember a formula that takes weeks to learn to maybe use in a fight for your life situation, that has to be thrown away.
    ***
    YOU WROTE:
    P.S. You forgot to mention that adrenaline rushes cause a stupefying effect on the body conditioning when it has not become instinct (alot harder to do than training in a variety of atmospheres and terrains) or the mind has not been conditioned to perform during the extreme atmosphere thus created; the story is indeed true: If someone does not go out of their way to train their mind to perform during crisis, they will not perform fast enough to make a difference.
    ***
    Get ready to have your world shattered TOBY.
    Half true. If you do not practice under pressure, again I do this with my guys but I dont want to sound like the meter is brought back out, you will not be able to attack back quickly. But I have………..guess what again. An example:
    There was a kidnapper who had his eye on a child that he was going to abduct. He went over to the child, grabbed the kids hand and proceeded to pull him. The childs friend ran over, BIT the mans hand creating pain causing his hand to instinctively open and let the child looses. The 2 kids ran away. Hey hey hey. What do we have here. I bet these kids trained hours upon hours to perform that 1 move just in-case they were to be abducted. INSTINCTIVE.
    Want another 1? I knew you did so heres another 1.
    A New York City bus driver got into a violent altercation by a passenger that ended up brandishing knife. Do you know what this bus driver did? He ended up over powering the man with the knife. Here’s a couple of much needed descriptions of these men.
    BUS DRIVER: OLDER, NON ATHLETIC, CHUBBY
    CRAZY MAN: YOUNG, CLOSE TO ATHLETIC BUILD
    Did this bus driver have any prior martial arts, military, police experience? NONE. How do you explain that? How?
    Have another 1
    My son in school was being picked on by a boy who was bigger than him (then not now cause the boy wants no part of my son). He decided to poke him with a pencil. My son asked him to stop. Repeatedly. The boy went to put my son in a headlock and succeeded. My son threw a lock of his own then continued his attack by throwing the boy to the ground. The bully released the lock and opened his hands so he can break his fall and not his face. SELF PRESERVATION for the bully and a quick, instinctive reaction by my son. Oh and by the way, I wasn’t teaching my son at the time. He knew the smart things to do and it was part of his SELF PRESERVATION SYSTEM.
    ***
    P.S. You forgot to mention that adrenaline rushes cause a stupefying effect on the body conditioning when it has not become instinct (alot harder to do than training in a variety of atmospheres and terrains) or the mind has not been conditioned to perform during the extreme atmosphere thus created
    ***
    I am an: EGOTISTICAL, OVERCONFIDENT type of person? No. Because I just proved the very things I have stated. You can go into books, Wikipedia like you mentioned I should…on TAI CHI, which some martial artist put up not a scientist that can prove the very things I stated. Are there things that can not be explained? Sure.
    Oh, and yes i have tried sticky hands. It modified so I can use it athletically and as a gross/complex motor set. Not like in WING CHUN. I actually use tactile sensitivity. Meaning as soon as I feel something I act on it.It doesn’t have to be pressure either. As long as I feel something I can act on it.
    I hope I haven’t gone on a rant here.
    Let me say this and I am not saying my system is so unique that no one has done anything like it.
    ***
    I have checked your website out, and much of the stuff discussed is known to me
    ***
    Really? Like what? How can my material that you just read by common knowledge to you? I just read it to make sure I didnt miss anything on my site. Primal instincts. Thats common knowledge to you? You just said repeatedly that you have to have trained for the situations we talked about. STRIKE 1. Non-telegraphic movements. Common knowledge you say. We may say it but all the styles you mentioned are telegraphed. STRIKE 2. You talk about style after style and not once did you mention anything on cerebral training connecting to physical defense. I mentioned that on my site yet again to you, common knowledge. STRIKE 3.

    My Madden I am not here to stroke my chicken and make others look foolish for the gain of my own (or lack of) confidence, ego, or make me feel better.

    I want to touch on just 1 more thing:
    ***
    The basic strategies and utilization of gross motor philosophy is great especially if coupled with force manipulation, which everyone does inherently (as in tai-chi, which i practice on a daily basis now….AKA grace). After only 6 months of training in jeet kun do, my sensei told me I would need no further training. Why? He said “once one knows the basics (gross motor) and trains their body into grace, daily routines in slow motion (as in tai-chi) embed the philosophies into your muscles”
    ***
    TOBY, how old are you? You keep talking about SENSI. Gross motor sets does not train your body into GRACE. It makes it fluid. Fluidity is what you meant. You will move faster because you understand the movement. That goes with anything. The more you do it the faster you become. Doing it slow does not embody it into you (unless I dont understand what he meant). The slower you do things the more the body can move FLUIDLY. Fluidity transfers into easiness and thus creating speed. Then from speed you have power. You can never get power then speed.

    Did you look at Lee’s stories of when his students learned his material in 6 months (not all but whatever he was teaching n that span of time) and they went on to kick a bunch of black belts asses? Mind you this is the 60’s so go with what was being done at THAT TIME. But they were doing patterns as oppose to natural movements that the body wants/needs to do not what you want to do.

    Neil Neazer
23. 
    Mike Corbett
    November 18th, 2009 on 2:04 pm

    Hi all,
    I’ve read the Captain Chris website and, unlike most of the people that have made a comment, I have only a handful of Krav Maga lessons under my belt, therefore his training is aimed at people like me, so I thought I’d offer my opinion.
    I think the first, and possibly biggest issue I have with the website is that a lot of the claims seem a little ambitious at best.

    “If you’d like to know how even someone who is slow, out-of-shape and has zero self defense experience can, in one hour or less, know more about surviving brutal street attacks than most black belt karate masters…”.

    I’m assuming he means that they will have a more realistic idea with regard to street fighting, but it still seems a bit of a strong boast.

    The other problem I have is that it seems like a really hard sell aimed to pressure people into buying the product. Surely the site should speak for itself? And making reference to professional assassins undermines his claims – It makes it all sound a bit like something written by a 14-year-old boy with a ninja obsession. The same with his “World leader in Self-Defence” boast. To be completely fair though, he doesn’t claim to be an expert in marketing, etc, and I’m sure he could pay someone to smooth over some of the rough edges and make it look a little more professional.

    My overall feeling though is that he gives the impression that no effort is required (very rare in any aspect of life, let alone a life-threatening situation), and that you’ll be able to dis-arm and disable a much bigger and more agressive attacker. My concern is that it would instill a false sense in people and cause them to do something that could make any dangerous situation worse.

    Ronin, this isn’t an attack on your views – How someone with your experience can use the moves on the DVDs would be massively different to a novice, and I think that’s the problem most of the people on this site seem to have. If you’re able to use the moves and incorporate them into your teaching, then I doubt anyone has an issue with it. Also, if you’re built like a line-backer (I’m not American, but I understand that makes you only slightly smaller than a bear), the moves on the DVD would work very well with that much power behind them.

    Anyway, as a novice myself, my views may mean nothing, but a different point of view sometimes helps.

    Cheers.

    Mike.
24. 
    William Flint
    November 27th, 2009 on 5:43 am

    Hi All,

    Before getting bogged down in the debate surrounding Captain Chris, I would like to give you an insight into myself.
    I am a 28 year old member of an elite team in the UK that have served in Afghanistan and various other war torn nations.
    I am fully trained in the following list of Chinese martial arts and have various certification that recognises me an ultimate warrior in these arts:

    Bafaquan
    Baguazhang
    Bajiquan
    Bak Mei
    Black Tiger Kung Fu
    Chaquan
    Dachengquan
    Ditangquan
    Do Pi Kung Fu
    Dragon Kung Fu
    Five Ancestors
    Five Animals
    Fujian White Crane
    Fu Jow Pai
    Fut Gar
    Gouquan
    Hakka Kuen
    Hong Cha
    Hop Gar
    Houquan
    Heihuquan
    Hsing-i Ch’uan
    Jeet Kune Do
    Jing Wu Men
    Jing Quan Do
    Jow-Ga Kung Fu
    Kuntao
    Lau Gar
    Lai-Ga-Sau
    Lai Tung Pai
    Lama Pai
    Leopard Kung Fu
    Li Gar
    Liu Seong Kuntao
    Liuhebafa Chuan
    Luohan Quan
    Mei Hua Quan
    Mian Quan
    Mizongyi
    Mok Gar
    Monkey Kung Fu
    Paochui
    Piguaquan
    Shaolin Quan
    Shuai Chiao
    Tai Chi Chuan
    Tantui
    Tibetan White Crane
    Tongbeiquan
    White Crane
    Wing Chun
    Wudangquan
    Yingzhaoquan
    Yuejiaquan
    Yiquan
    Zi Ran Men

    I am now a freelance soldier and work under the assumed name of ‘Jonny coco’ although anyone wishing to contact me for advice on my areas of expertise should send me an email to:

    jonathancoco@hotmail.com

    Unlike ‘Captain’ Chris (Come on who is this guy trying to fool – AND Rip Off) with his phony website. I have recorded several DVDs that I am willing to send to people for free. All you need to do is contact me at my email address and I will send you an MPEG/AVI file of the requested material.

    I have produced 4 feature length DVDs that showcase various different martial arts and if you want all 4 I can help you to learn many of the fighting techniques listed above.

    Unless like the captain, I won’t make false promises that you can learn these arts in a weekend – what a ludicrous claim, but I will instead illustrate the importance of things like healthy diet and I even share some of my secret Chinese remedies with viewers that can give the user explosive strength and ‘warrior like’ anger for use when you most need it.
    I don’t want to take up too much space on this forum but please send me an email to the address clearly shown above and in the title field please include the following:

    Request for Warrior secrets and Chinese fighting Techniques

    This way I will know not to delete it prior to reading.

    Many Thanks and I hope to hear from you soon.

    Jonny ‘Warrior’ Coco
25. 
    Glen S
    December 1st, 2009 on 10:33 pm

    You know I think I’ve walked away from every “fight” I could have gotten into after the 9th grade. I don’t care about “face”, what people think and I treat people well so it doesn’t come up much. I was jumped twice in my life.

    In 9th grade I had 5 guys attack me in a place where I was completely alone along side a concrete irrigation ditch. It was a short cut on way home from school and I left school early and was surprised by these guys. I was hit quite a bit with one guy targeting my kidneys from behind. I was small, about 5′5″ and 130 pounds. Did not grow until Junior year. Any way I could only think or react to the guy in front of me and I was swinging wild with no technique probably missing 99% of the punches. But the guy was backing up. So I am getting hit and it hurts but doesn’t really register adrenaline. I realize that this guy is going right towards the ditch. So I drive him into the ditch he falls backwards, I run down and up the other side. I scale the brick wall, stop, yell all kinds of crap at these dude and then run 2 miles home. Fat lips , hey I had huge buck teeth at time but no broken jaw cause teeth clenched, sore back and some scratches.

    I was lucky sure, but I had no time to react with any technique and I did not know any anyway. I think the important thing is to act and be aggressive. After that I vowed if something like ever happened again I try to kill the bastards. It did happen again different dudes, car broken down walking home inner city 4 years later. I stood out. But you know what, I came out of a worse situation even better than the first time because I aggressively defended myself and was bigger and stronger. (I wish I’d had a cell phone back then never would have walked, but there were no such thing then).

    So, May be I get a false sense of confidence from surviving these situations and a lot of weight lifting. But never really had issues. Then I have kids and I start to worry about what I’d do if something happens and I gotta protect them. I take grappling classes and they are teaching us 6 arts. But most everything is on the ground. I have my dad come watch one day in his 60’s and he says well that looks like fun but how you gonna roll around like that on the concrete in a real fight? Why didn’t I think of that? I’m thinking this grappling stuff is gonna save my but and my family but I broke a rib once doing take downs on the mat and never even thought about how I could hurt myself taking someone down on the concrete let alone the bad guy or his buddies hurting me while I’m wresting around with him.

    So I discovered Captain Chris videos on the internet. And it actually made sense to me so I ordered the dvd’s and watched them all. I feel like I may have paid too much for this knowledge and I can see how very little of it would help me in the cage or a ring. But I’m not interested in fighting there. Don’t really want to fight at all. But I can see how finger darts, chin jabs, tiger claw, shin kicks, and elbow can help me quite a bit. And the constantly moving forward until your assailant is immobile, running away, or my family is safely out of there can work when I am alone and got no one to help me.

    I had been to three different “schools” before I got Captain Chris videos. They never taught me self defense but 2 of the schools produce many famous fighters I can PPV to watch on Saturdays. I ask to learn self defense and I hear that Krav Maga is great. No schools around to teach that within 100 miles. They tell me that if I keep going to class I’ll learn it. But actual self defense I think is boring for instructors to teach so they teach grappling and moves and stuff. The grappling is pretty damn good for my conditioning and strength. My knees are shot at 40 and I’m not so good at take downs but have learned to stuff a take down and a few trips and a couple of throws. I know arm bars, and chokes and if I’m jumped and could pull one of those off to protect my self or family I would do so in a heartbeat.

    But when I show my classmates this stuff from Captain Chris they actually get real quiet and pay attention. And the more advanced students actually show me ways to improve or correctly do some of the techniques and they have never seen the DVD’s. The truth is there is some good principles involved in the DVD’s. It is not complete, but what is? I see the guy posting above me is an expert in 56 martial arts. So its obvious from that he feels no one art is the answers to everything and Captain Chris DVD’s can not answer every situation but it has helped me and my kids.

    And buy the way my 105 pound wife can chop me with edge of hand a hell of a lot faster and harder than she can punch me with her muay thai strikes.

    My 2 cents. Glen S.
26. 
    NEIL NEAZER
    December 2nd, 2009 on 12:50 pm

    Hey Glen, good story. I liked the fact that you were able to get through a tough, make that 2, situations. It is true about what your father said about the grappling but understand that it may help for just moving on the ground and not necessarily to grappling period. That would be a complete idiotic move. Aggression is a great tool to use in a fight especially if focused but but how focused can you be when you’re getting fist to the head? And yes (I am by no means a big grappling fan) grappling is great for endurance and for breathing so thats cool too. But the big chop that C.C. shows will not work in a street altercation because if the attacker can see it, he can stop it. Then your wife will be in a worse scenario than when it 1st started. A forearm shot to the neck is powerful but you have to get it there and by standing there letting her put it on is false training and a bad way to help her gain faith and confidence in her ability to save her life and your kids. Remember: YOUR WIFE IS THE BODYGUARD TO YOUR KIDS WHEN YOU ARE NOT THERE.

    Thanks Glen for your part in this forum
27. 
    Matan Gavish
    December 3rd, 2009 on 9:48 am

    Hi.
    I landed on this Chris guy training page and I have to say, the fact that he received so much screen time is a disgrace.
    These uncontrolled movements create what we in the real street fighting business like to call “A false sense of security”. It means that if a woman leaves a session with the understanding she can save herself from an assailant by using nothing more than a Karate Chop, her sense of personal security goes up. HOWEVER, this feeling of power will quickly fade when big bad man, who is now much angrier, will punch her in the face, close fist of course.
    Worse-off, claiming to be teaching mercenaries is probably the most idiotic claim I’ve heard in the fitness world. And that includes the “Hawaii chair” (google it for a good laugh)
    I have been teaching Krav Maga in NYC for the past 10 years. I have taught Israeli Special Ops units as well as the US Navy Seals.
    I teach women self defense, based on the Krav Maga system.
    In Krav Maga (much like in real life) the attacker fights back, he grabs you hard, he pulls your hair, he chokes your neck, he punches everywhere, he bites. He will use a baseball bat, a steak knife, a gun, a hammer. He uses his size, weight, anger, aggression and many times psychosis to cause damage. A simple karate chop or a series of hysterical movements would simply not suffice.
    Krav Maga is extremely simplified and instinctual, but accuracy is key. Taking our built in instincts and improving them, sharpening them is crucial.
    Bruce Lee said : I fear not the man who practiced 10,000 different kicks once. I fear the man who practiced one kick 10,000 times.

    My site is http://www.defitness.com
    Feel free to drop a line or ask any questions.

    Matan Gavish

    Krav Maga NYC
    Self Defense NYC
    Krav Maga Academy
    Gracie Academy BJJ
28. 
    JeremyVA
    December 4th, 2009 on 9:33 pm

    Hey came across mr C.C and just wanted to add 2 cents myself, yea i personaly think he is chock full o bull ive seen kids do a better job at defending them selves yea he is right about the elbow when approached from behind if you sense that is going to happen the element of suprise can be on your side but dont just blindly thrust your elbow hit him in the for head yea thats going to smart the throat is very vulnerable, crush it he dies or hit it just hard enough and he wont be able to breath wich gives you a window to run away from the situation, strike the nose or chin will stun them giving you time for a follow up, but if the guy surprises you then thats another story if you have no formal training like me yea that would cause me to freeze up for a few id admit it but you need to gather yourself quickly work on your reflects always remember the hand is faster than the eye once his eyes move from you eyes then its go time, most of these punks have no training except how them and 5 buddies beat down the bum 3 alleys down the block. and no you never want to end up on the ground but yes ground fighting(wrestling, chokes holds etc) are something that needs to be learned cause if you go “ape pounding” or sissy slapping as i call it they dude is taking your ass to the ground and where the hell did the good captain get that these moves are unstopable??? ok you chop at me im stomping your knee cap if your going to successfully sissy slap some one you better have the speed and ass to back it up, if your that confident that his preview moves shown above will work then byfar go to your local dojo fight school mma arena etc and try it out on them when your ass is handed to you, you might realize how lame they are, oh and spear finger wtf is that um what happend to the good ol eye gouge thats simple and my opinion of a “gross movement” is a good fart im guessing he got his science degree from kmart aswell as his martial arts degree, yea he is trying to scam you but thats good ol american “trash” marketing for you he falls in the same catagory as the make your penis bigger and loose weight with more useless junk late night bs tv adds, and no as mentioned i have no martial arts training unless you want to call the 3 months of karate i took when i was in 1st grade with a decent instructor jimmy horseley (used to kick box perfessionaly) some may know of him, this guy was tough and trained all his life he came home one night and was met by a gun toting thug that robbed him on the spot he admitted to doing nothing about it so even the most trained can freeze up its mainly like i said the element of surprise its a bitch if you dont have it and no ive not been in alot of confrontations just a few but to tell this guy is bs is just common sense no man in their right mind would sissy slap another man and expect them to go down, and heres another tid bit when i played football in school we did neck bends with all of our body weight to strengthen them so no i dont beleive a 80lb 5ft tall girl can push me around by my chin your leaving youself wide open with that also a good way to get that elbow broke there is not clean fight nor fair fight you survive any wich way you can wether you beat them with a stick bare fist or rip their eyes out survival is survival plain and simple, but a point in favor of our chop o holic has anyone purchased and watched all of his dvds? cause there could actually be some correct and useful info on them, highly doubt it but possibly its just a gimmic “HE TALKED TO THE LAST SAMURAI” yea must have talked to tom cruise, if his stuff was all that great he wouldnt basically be begging you to buy his stuff offering you all of these extra items and even knocking off all that money,yea so what do infomercials do at the end they double the product and drop the price its basically hyptnotism notice all the bold and underlined junk? and to the dance teaching sir, has he honestly hired you to promote for him, if not your doing a good job convincing me that its bs even more, and dude grabbing a 14 y/o girl and dragging her around while she screams is not the brightest thing to do yea you may have been testing her but OJ DIDNT DO IT EITHER, see what i mean and just cause you sissy slap a bag doesn mean anything, in the words of rodney carrington ill beat the shit outta a smart ass with no arms” there is your bag, personally i dont have time or money or time to train so i was almost tempted to give it a try but then i blinked and snapped out of the bs coma and realized how stupid it was, im a delivery driver by perfession i go into some of the shittiest places in my state and im constantly watching my back since im 20 and not eligable for a side arm and concealed permit i keep a brass knuckle and a very sharp karambit on my side at all times, and yea a karambit is a good tool to have no its not invincible nor will make you super man but its a little more difficult to disarm and is edged on both sides so while your stabbing jabbing or for some sissy slapping your attacker you will be leaving puncture wounds and gashes all over him and if your in a kill or be killed attack the attacker will most likely be guarding his chest and neck so the underarm conceals and main vein wich if severed bleeds out quick roughly 1 to 2 minutes but seriously hopefuly nobody will fall for this and i might have helped a few people sure id love to know how to do a simple trick to defend myself but i cant afford lessons so i do what i can always keep a sharp eye and try and plan things if a situation were to arise also neil and the colum admin have you guys ever hear of alex stone? is he bs like the bad ass captain? and neil ill be looking at you site soon when i get the extra time to also i appologise if i have offended anyone and before anybody says it yes im basicaly a teen at 20 y/o and no i dont think i know it all so if anybody has any useful advice or books/vids that arent exspensive nor fake idiotic moves that you would teach to someone trying to swim please let me know cause picking a apple and putting it in your pocket wont save your life neither will swinging blindly or whailing your arms around like a mental patient and heres another idea anybody know about pressure points??? just a thought Jeremy from VA
29. 
    Frank
    December 21st, 2009 on 3:37 am

    “Captain Chris”… What a joke.

    I’m 18, 5′10 and about 86 kilo. I’ve been boxing for 7 years, Muay Thai for 6 and did a series of different Japanese/Chinese martial arts previously including Karate, and Wing Chun Kung Fu. I can hold my own against most people, whether they are larger or smaller than me. My cousin is an Ex-SASR operator who served with US SFOD-D 1st (You guys might know them as CIA field operators and Delta Force) and UK SBS (Essentially, the best Special Forces on the planet) during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan in 2001 and several other tours in Oruzgan province in 2004/2006. He taught me a lot of CQB drills employed by NATO SoF and Captain dickhead touches on none of them in reality.

    The best experience you can ever get is simply getting in the ring and fighting with full force, another human being. Where all the protective gear if you like. But make sure you learn and understand what it is to be attacked by someone with intent to harm. Never go to ground unless you are a competent grappler.

    Simple stuff….
30. 
    Frank
    December 21st, 2009 on 3:38 am

    “Where all the protective gear if you like.”

    I meant to say “wear”… Thought I’d better clear that up
31. 
    FlawedCynic
    December 25th, 2009 on 9:52 pm

    I find his website embarassing, highly irresponsible and severely stupid. Any person that thinks wailing your arms like a banshee is gonna stop an attacker dead set on beating the hell out of you (or worse) is a moron.

    About me, I have a little over 7 years martial arts training in Taekwondo. A number of my masters have trained various police, security and military forces in unarmed combat. One of my masters is even a Vietnam vet. He claims martial arts do not prepare you for a real life scenario but what does he abse this on? Does he even know that many of the older traditional martial arts are still used by their respective countries for use in real combat?

    If traditional styles aren’t your thing, Systema is an excellent fighting art. So are Krav Maga and Jeet Kune Do (though this is tricky and many schools simply teach Wing-Chun with Jiu-Jitsu masked as JKD). Bottom line all people need to steer clear of this joker.
32. 
    TV
    January 5th, 2010 on 11:12 am

    I really want to comment for any female reading these posts who is even slightly unsure of the best way to defend yourself esspecialy against a male attacker. Teaching women to swing their arms at an attacker would not be the best way to defend in my oppinion.

    Im 6 foot 2 and 105kg there arnt too many femails my size. Any woman attempting to fight for their life by striking blows with her arms would surly be hurt in the end but the attacket if it is a bigger man.
    If you think about what i am about to say you will realise that its true. BECAUSE the first reaction of the man would be to defend his head with his arms and push away and grab at the female fighting back. I know this will offend many women who do martial arts but seriously i dont care how much training you have if you are half my size slaming your for arms into mine (which i would naturaly raise to protect my head by instinct) or the top of my head or my sholders would do very little damage. And this post is not for women who are highly traind its for the rest of the population. The second the attacker is able to get the smallest hold of one of your arms or a part of your clothing the woman would be un able to club and almost out of options. If he was violent and you can assume he would be he would grab you and hold you on your wrist or arms or hold with one arm and bash you with the other.
    IT TRULY SEEMS DANGEROUS TO GIVE PEOPLE THE SENSE THAT THEY WILL WIN ANY BATTLE LIKE THIS as eventualy you will needto stop attacking or the attacker will push you off giving them time to reasses the situation. The second the larger man has both arms restrained the last and only option is a knee, that’s if you can do it before he realsese you are trying to knee him and adjusts his hold on you so you cant.

    The first and only thing i would recomend for any female train or untrained when being attacked would be go straight for the eyes or genitals and/or bite and scream and never stop trying to do as much pain as possible (hence eyes and genitals).

    I say this with full confidance IF i wanted to overpower any woman (which i would never do as i despise people that hurt others for any reason but self defence or sport) the only way 90%+ of them could stop me would be threw practical critical pain inflicting strikes. Eyes, genitals, biting and possibly trought is they could.

    Women attacked by men are almost always smaller and weaker than their attacker. As soon as they have one good hold on you you are basically stuffed as we posess far more streingth (generally) and would restrain or beat you into submition if that was the goal.

    To any woman that reads this and i guess guys to becasue any one can be attacked. Inflict as much pain as possible with minimal technique, Eyes, throught if you can hit hard enough, genitals and biting are the best way to stop an attach and that is really your only goal so you can escape. Forarm pounding would have very little effect on me agains my own forarms if you were half my size and eventually i would be able to grab you or push you off enought to reasses the situation and if my intention was to rape some one i would probably attack you again due to the fact i would have sustained very little injury and am now prepaired for your attack and probably going to be attacking back my self this time.

    Maximum pain minimun technique is always the common sense way of self defence for any untraind fighter.

    Even the worlds best fighters would win or end a fight far faster with an eye gouge or groin strike than all the other training they do. Why do you think its almost always baned in MMA and UFC because it is so very easy to do massive irriparible dammage and cause massive incapasitating pain.

    Well thats my opinion and i challange any one to enlighten me on any technique/attack etc that could get you out of a dangerous sittuation more effectivly.

    TV
33. 
    TopExpert10
    January 17th, 2010 on 11:07 pm

    December 29, 2009
    New York
    Good Mountain Tactical Training Center, LLC

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    “bible,” Aviram meticulously explains the origins of the techniques,
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34. 
    TopExpert10
    January 17th, 2010 on 11:11 pm

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35. 
    TopExpert10
    January 17th, 2010 on 11:12 pm

    Boaz Aviram the Third Israeli Defense Forces former Krav Maga Chief with Eli Avikzar the Second IDF former Chief on the Cover of the book Fighting Fitness. The first Krav Maga book in English written in the early 1980’s. Gives a basic idea of Krav Maga. Although it has few unedited photos that were inserted to complete the book, for the most of it it is a good very basic Krav Maga book an the first civilian book ever printed.http://www.amazon.com/David-Ben-Asher/e/B001HMOULK/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1
36. 
    David Hawisher
    January 25th, 2010 on 11:42 am

    This guy makes me sick. I just want to show a couple of the things wrong with his site.
    1The entire section that follows, which happens to be a direct quote.

    How to toss ANY man right on his head… and break his arm on the way down if you choose to do so. (I don’t care if you only weigh 90 pounds soaking wet, either—as you’ll see, your physical size has nothing to do with it.)
    A 2-hit combination GUARANTEED to shatter your attacker’s jaw… every single time. (Six months of dental surgery and he MIGHT be able to talk and actually stand trial.)
    Incredible “military tricks” that will take you from absolute rookie to a master fighter in just a few short hours.
    Why a simple change in your “mindset” will mean the difference between being the prey or being the predator when surrounded by thugs, gang members and other scum on the street.
    How to snatch a loaded gun right out of a “Gangsta’s” hand so damn fast it will literally tear his trigger finger off! (And then immediately—without even thinking about it—cave his chest in without skipping a beat.)
    Single escape and takedown moves that require no strength whatsoever. (Perfect to teach your kids and wife… or to use when you’re hurt or attacked by bigger guys pumped up with pain-numbing drugs and rage!)
    How to immediately win a fight if you find yourself on the ground with a bigger opponent on top of you. (And without screwing around with that “tap-out” B.S. you see on TV.)
    How to control the “shakes” and super-hot adrenaline dump that occurs during tense, violent situations! (You’ll be cool, smooth and effective no matter how confusing things get… just the opposite of how most men react!)
    The one “basic” mistake even cops and soldiers make (despite their expensive training) that erases their “training advantage” in a street fight. (And how to make sure YOU never fall victim to it yourself.)
    How to lock “new” combat information into your long-term memory and nervous system.
    How to get away from a larger attacker who surprises you. (It’s instantaneous, keeps you safe from any blows, and puts him so “off-balanced” he’s toast for your next move. And the beauty is… the bigger he is, the easier it is for you to do this!)
    Vicious, stomach-churning (but simple) moves that allow you to “lead” him by his chin all the way to the ground… hard. (His body goes where you lead it, like a lifeless slab of meat—letting you control and humiliate even the biggest and toughest street punk on the block with ease.)
    How to take a strong, oversized man down easily… without using any fancy grappling or wrestling moves.
    The 8 “tactical” combat coordinates you must know to win a violent encounter against any attacker—including the horrendous “Hollywood” mistakes most people make that get them seriously hurt or killed. (Some of the “normal tendencies” you have are 100% wrong!)
    How to break up the most common street attacks with a single, simple move. (Instantly “cancels out” anything an experienced street fighter can throw at you.)
    Exactly how to instantly put down anyone who walks up to you and grabs your shirt, ready to bash your face in. (This is the single most common attack in bars, parties, and other places where people with lots of “liquid courage” inside them cause trouble.)
    How to make someone who tries to choke you literally drown in his own spit. (Frankly, you have to see this one to believe it—it’s that incredible.)
    How even a 105 pound girl can snap a big guy’s wrist or elbow like a stale pretzel rod.
    How to spin an attacker around when he grabs, pushes, or reaches—take his back—and LIGHTS OUT!
    The “Shake & Bake” principle of violent aggression. This is how you can exponentially multiply the viciousness of ANY choke or joint lock.
    What to do if your attacker is simply TOO BIG.
    How to inflict unbearable pain to shut off his brain while you end the fight.
    Plus much, MUCH more…

    And
    2. He is trying to make money off of terrorism:
    “And I KNOW the kind of crazy shit that’s about to hit the fan in our country. I’ve seen statistics, reports and projections that would quite frankly cause a nation-wide panic if everyone knew the truth.”

    And I just have one question: What would happen if two people trained in his system that “can’t fail”, fought each other?
37. 
    big dave
    January 30th, 2010 on 9:42 pm

    I took some three day seminars with Tim Larkin who is teaching the Target focus system and it really changed my perception of violence and how to handle it.

    The deliver it all online now at streetcombat.com

    As for the question of two people who are both trained in these “can’t fail” systems meeting each other, the answer is: Whoever gets the first injury.

    This reminds me of something that I have always wanted to try: I want to get a dehumidifier and a humidifier and seal them in the same room and let them just fight it out.

    Dave
38. 
    shawn
    February 16th, 2010 on 5:53 pm

    We would all like to believe that fighting is like baking a cake just show me the recipe and I can do it. If I watch a couple videos I can kick that bully’s ass. Unfortunately the truth is just like anything else you have to practice practice practice to be proficient. These types of programs appeal to people because they don’t want to put in the work required to actually develop some skill. For those of you banking on this system to save your life good luck, and get pepper spray you’ll need it. Oh yeah and buy my video that teaches you to become an olympic marathoner without getting off your couch through simple breathing techniques the experts don’t want you to know! If you want to learn to defend your self find an art that uses rhondori or live sparring and be prepared to sweat. By the way if you look into the history of Jigoro Kano and Judo you’ll see he debunked these allegedly deadly arts over a hundred years ago. He proved focusing on simple movements you could practice against a fully resisting opponent are far more effective in actual combat than any secret pressure points, monkeys paws, fish hooks whooping cranes etc.
39. 
    Mike
    March 3rd, 2010 on 1:14 am

    I can’t believe what some people will say to make money. From may take of Captain Chris, he is delusional at best. Sadly, many of the systems out there are complete B.S. There are no super techniques. The best fighters in the world rely on basic skills that have been practiced over and over. Speed and balance is likewise developed over many years. Some moves are complex and harder to do just like in any sport, but once you understand them they are no different to do or defend against than a jab or a cross. A punch is no different than swinging a baseball bat. Easy enough for a child to do on his first try but it may take a person 15 or 20 years to get good enough to bat in the major leagues. The same thing is true with grappling skills. As far as the difference between a real fight and a sport. A real fight pumps more adrenaline through you and it is more wild plus there is the greater possibility of getting hurt. If you are psychologically prepared to fight ie…you are not petrified with fear, a sport like mma, judo, boxing, fencing will aid you in a real fight. They were made to approximate a real fight as closely as possible with out all the inherent dangers of a real fight. People are clueless because they have never been in a fight so they get suckered in and believe all kinds of bull about gorillas or killing Nazi soldiers with their bare hands. What is worse is people try to go to the local martial arts school and they are taught complete crap. The average high school wrestler would kick the crap out of the average black belt. The few notable exceptions would be a jui jitsu black belt and someone trained in Tai boxing.

    I have no black belt

    Because of my size almost everyone I ever fought was bigger and stronger than me. I beat most of them by being better than they were.

    If I were to count the number of actual fights I had I would run out of fingers and toes.

    The first time I ever knocked a guy unconscious was in an after school fight when I was 14.

    The first time I was threatened with a knife I was in kindergarten.

    The first time I knocked a persons tooth out was in the second grade

    I probably had over 500 fist fights with my brother

    I am a college level grappler and I trained with three veterans of the UFC
40. 
    Tim
    March 7th, 2010 on 1:33 pm

    Man, there sure is a lot of posturing on this site. If big talk could win a fight you guys would all be Grand Champions of the World in your chosen *arts*. I’ve never taken a self-defense/martial arts course in my life and I’ve been in plenty of fights. Some I’ve won and some I’ve had my ass handed to me. Every one of them has been different, and in no two of them would the same technique have worked the same way. What I have found out, however, is that plain old brute rage is the best approach. That is 1 – Don’t get into a fight unless you mean it. 2 – When you do, attack, attack, attack. 3 – The most effective strikes are the headbutt to the face, the knee to the groin, the punch or open hand to the throat, and the thumb to the eye. 4 – repeat as necessary until one of you is unconscious or arrested. That’s it, and no, I’m not selling any DVD’s to teach you the wonders of my remarkable system. Geez, what a bunch of posers you suckers are.
41. 
    Charles Prosper
    March 7th, 2010 on 1:55 pm

    Tim, you post was great until you resorted to the name-calling at the end. I can never see why this is necessary to make a point. Next time if you choose to post, kindly resist this temptation.

    Thanks.

    Charles Prosper
42. 
    Tim
    March 8th, 2010 on 10:47 am

    Sorry. I guess that’s why I get into fights in the first place, huh? My bad, but can you see my point? Anyway, you run a good site. Thanks for responding.
43. 
    Charles Prosper
    March 8th, 2010 on 6:48 pm

    No problem, Tim. Anyone can slip. No harm done.

    Charles
44. 
    Mike
    March 8th, 2010 on 10:59 pm

    Brute force and rage are all well and good if you are always larger and stronger than your opponent. It worked well for me too until the day came when a substantially bigger and stronger guy and I fought. I got beaten up pretty good. I tried it again the next time we fought and I got beaten up even worse. After that I fought with my head not my emotion.

    It is true, some guys are selling B.S. martial art techniques and pipe dreams but if you think you are going to win by flying into a blind rage you might be surprised someday. True, you might be fooling yourself if you think your are going to develop skills by watching a krav maga dvd but if you train hard and develop solid basic skills in a fight, once in a while, you might execute something that looks like the fancy techniques some martial arts experts sell. The higher the level of the fighter the more often you might see an amazing move. Let me stress ‘once in a while.’ It is the fighter’s basic skills not the knowledge of a special technique that is going to determine the outcome of a fight.

    If you think rage-attack-attack is going to work I can tell you one thing. I have seen large athletic guys come into the practice room and try to bull rush and get soundly beaten by the 140lber.

    Rage-attack-attack is a short time tactic. Muscles have about 14 seconds of 100% exertion time. After that they are very limited in their usefulness in a fight. A lot of fighters get put away once they are exhausted. A good fighter can fight hard for two minutes if he doesn’t blow everything he has on a wasted move. A great fighter can fight for ten minutes. The pros train for twenty plus minutes.

    Groin and eye pokes are powerful techniques. But in a fight on the street they might not have the same effect as in the practice room. When pissed off I have continued to fight after be struck in the groin and in the eye. I have had this happen in a fight and a particularly intense match. The thing is if you are intense enough you can keep going. Your are in for the shock of a lifetime when you stop, then you feel all that pain at once. In his fight with Chuck Lidel, Couture was poked in the eye. Instead of calling time he got mad and went after Chuck and Chuck knocked him out. Couture lost that fight because he lost control of his temper but the eye poke did not stop him it pissed him off. Some people are not stopped after being struck by large a caliber bullet. I believe the .45 auto single shot stoppage percentage is 90%. I really don’t think an eye poke or knee to the groin is going to stop the most determined attacker especially if it is a glancing blow.

    People do tend to act differently when they practice as opposed to the way they act when it is a real fight. It is a mental state! Some guys on this site are saying people are going to be basket cases in a fight because they are nervous! I don’t know many people that are such losers. Most people I know put their best foot forward in adversity. I have never seen my tiny mother back down from a fight, ever. Many people I have trained with fought better when the chips were down than they did when they had everything going their way.

    To the guy who tried to teach his female dance students to fight by attacking them. You are lucky you did not get sued! I am not sure, did you just attack them out of the blue? You could have seriously injured them. I have trained 100% all out full contact. I do not do it all the time and when I do I am damn careful. Do you understand how easily someone could get seriously hurt? Let me say that I find your intentions admirable, however I would not recommend you do that again unless you have a very good lawyer.

    On the topic of training females. Lets imagine what a fight between a top fly weight and the top heavyweight would be like. We are talking about a trained man of about 120lbs vs a man of about 280lbs. If they were pound for pound equal the smaller man could go on the defensive and hold the larger man off for a while. It does not happen often but sometimes in the workout room the light weight will work out with the heavy weight and it is as comical as it is inevitable. Light weights have beaten top heavy weights when they are vastly superior fighters. I heard stories of Dan Gable, a middle weight college wrestler pounding every heavy weight he wrestled. A very small female should rely on pepper spray or some thing else. If she is close in weight it is doable. Two years ago I coached a female wrestler who had a winning record on varsity and she started all year at 119lbs.

    Ok, I admit it. I exaggerated the number of fist fights I had with my brother. It was more like 150 than 500. I did send him to the ER once for stitches. Don’t worry, he paid me back. He bashed me over the head with a pipe.

    The reason I had an unusual number of violent altercations was because I had poor social skills. But where I grew up, you were going to get into at least one.

    About all this stuff we are talking about on this site, if you train for a psychotic situation you are going to be psychotic yourself. What I did for the sport I did because I enjoyed it. I do like the skills I have. The fact that I experienced so many violent situations in my life is just unfortunate. If I walk down a dark street in a bad neighborhood that is my choice, I can avoid that situation and most others. I know I cant win every fight and even if I could not fight at all, I would not worry. I would not let the possibility of any violence ruin my life.

    Peace
45. 
    Mike
    March 9th, 2010 on 8:17 am

    I think the regular training you get in most disciplines is enough for most situations. Instead of training for an attack at some angle from some direction at some location I would work on fundamental skills. Drills are good but working on a gazillion situations with complicated techniques might make the student paranoid especially if he has not developed basic skills. And without basic skills all that training is useless.
    Peace out
46. 
    Charles Prosper
    March 9th, 2010 on 6:53 pm

    I agree, Mike. Better to know and master a few realistic and devastating techniques that to crowd your head with a huge number of possibilities, none of which you have mastered 100%. This is how so many martial arts can freeze in a real fight or life and death situation.

    Charles
47. 
    Ben
    March 11th, 2010 on 3:34 pm

    Hello all,

    I understand the conflict between everyone here, but what no one has mentioned yet is the fact that the “system” you train with, whether it be aikido, jujitsu, or a compilation of different martial arts, does not matter nearly as much as the INDIVIDUAL. Because at the end of the day, martial arts are not all about self defense, they are about more than that, but the level at which you are proficient enough to defend yourself on the strett depends on YOU. There is no magical or special art which grants you powers to defeat anyone. You only have yourself and your training. I have been in martial arts my entire life and thoughout that experience I have seen white belts beat black belts. Blacks belts who simply bought their belts, because Mr kaine is right when he says that martial arts have become a business. unfortunately that is the world we live in, but that doesn’t mean you can’t train and condition yourself to be mentally and physically prepared for an altercation. You have to commit yourself and take your art, whatever it may be, seriously. “trust the quality of what you know, not the quantity”. If you would like to email me regarding this issue or you need claification just email me at bharri22@kent.edu.

    safety and peace,

    Ben
48. 
    Mike
    March 12th, 2010 on 12:38 am

    The Individual? I thought I was talking about that very thing. An individual’s ability is separate from the art he practices. An individual has his own strength speed and technical skill level. An individual has his own level of mental preparedness to hostile situations. I totally agree that there is no magic art. My first day at a school I easily defeated two ju jitsu black belts. I felt good for a while then I worked out with a brown belt who had 10 local mma matches and he submitted me in 15 seconds several times in a row. You do have to train seriously. Your ability to connect with a punch or kick strike the eye or throat or catch a guy in a leg triangle only improves with practice. The quality of what you know is not as important as the quality of the way you do it. Thanks for the post Ben.
49. 
    Al
    March 12th, 2010 on 2:33 pm

    Another concern is that on the billing form at the “Captain Chris” site it asks for your birth date. Sounds like a prelude to identity theft.
    His techniques also sound similar to the “guided chaos” system. Any thoughts?
50. 
    Jason
    March 19th, 2010 on 11:12 am

    You guys crack me up.

    He trains over at Performance BJJ in Fairlawn NJ probably 5-6 times a week (as a student), and everybody there loves him.

    You guys all talk a big game, but trust me, not one of you would last five seconds with that animal.

    And even though he’s one of the nastiest grapplers around, he STILL shows Close Combat to everyone who asks about self defense? I think you should all think about that.

    I agree his site borders on the obnoxious, but when you read through the sales hype (he probably uses to counteract these types of silly theoretical discussions from amateurs) about fear induced stress and gross motor movements it makes perfect sense.

    Also, he didn’t make it up by mixing around martial arts techniques and calling it his own style (like some of the fools posting here).

    So before all of you go commenting about something NONE of you are actually qualified to even discuss…Read the history, read the science, and then get off your lazy “keyboard commando” duffs and go roll with the dude.
51. 
    Mike
    March 19th, 2010 on 6:41 pm

    Jason
    So he rolls at a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu school. Big deal. What he said on his site is complete crap. In America we call it false advertisement. I went to a school too. For six months I was doing work out rounds with three pros. These guys fight in the UFC, Bodog and everywhere else. These guys would submit you in a heart beat and knock your head right off. Especially right before a competition. I’d like to see Chris do a two minute round with them. Who does he roll with besides ’students’? Who endorses him? I cant believe the Gracies would back that crap, they have a reputation for being down to earth. Can you tell me if he has beaten anyone well known in competition? Heck has he even gone the distance with anyone? If he has real skills why the BS. Any student going to him will be pissed off when they realize the harsh realities. Sorry to bust on this guy, especially if you like him, this is just the way I see it.

    peace
52. 
    Justin
    March 20th, 2010 on 10:58 pm

    Interesting, the techniques shown on his website are exactly the same ones I found in an old book which I found in one of my boxes of antiques. The pages are yellowed, but still hold firm, and describes in detail the techniques such as the edge of hand, chin jab, tiger claw etc. Even the stance the book mentions that anyone should have is very boxer-like; that is, rear foot approximately 45 degrees offset and on the toes and the front foot pointing forward.

    The book itself is dated around 1948 and written by this guy called Fairbairn, and there and illustrations as well as photos of soldiers using them in training exercises. These techniques at least were the essentials which were taught to Allied soldiers in China in the early years of WW2. They were meant to be used when there was no chance of avoiding unarmed combat, especially when they had to deal with aggressive felons, and without the complications of specific targeting.

    That being said, is it possible that he somehow found the information from this book or something similar? I find it highly likely that he did. If that’s true, then there is really no problem because these techniques were battle-tested and showed high rates of success. And we’re talking chaotic wartime situations where it’s kill or be killed.
53. 
    Cash
    March 20th, 2010 on 11:09 pm

    (quote)“Captain Chris”… What a joke.

    I’m 18, 5′10 and about 86 kilo. I’ve been boxing for 7 years, Muay Thai for 6 and did a series of different Japanese/Chinese martial arts previously including Karate, and Wing Chun Kung Fu. I can hold my own against most people, whether they are larger or smaller than me. My cousin is an Ex-SASR operator who served with US SFOD-D 1st (You guys might know them as CIA field operators and Delta Force) and UK SBS (Essentially, the best Special Forces on the planet) during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan in 2001 and several other tours in Oruzgan province in 2004/2006. He taught me a lot of CQB drills employed by NATO SoF and Captain dickhead touches on none of them in reality.

    The best experience you can ever get is simply getting in the ring and fighting with full force, another human being. Where all the protective gear if you like. But make sure you learn and understand what it is to be attacked by someone with intent to harm. Never go to ground unless you are a competent grappler.

    Simple stuff….(/quote)

    LOL WUT

    and you mentioned all those ‘credentials’ for what reason? i see none
54. 
    Mike
    March 21st, 2010 on 12:06 pm

    Ok, I think I have this figured out.
    If you look on the net you will find Chris being discredited by everyone. Hock says Chris is full of it, the guys on socnet.com and bullshido say it and dozens more. If you search for support for this guy you come up with nothing.
    Leo from New Mexico said on rippoffreport.com after buying the dvds,
    “There isn’t a single windpipe crushing, neck snapping, crippling, maiming or blinding technique anywhere. The gross motor movements are the few techniques shown on his website. It’s got “karate” chops (to the back of an opponent’s shoulder, in one example). It’s got “whip” kicks, and of course, wristlocks. I cannot believe that WW II Commandos killed the Nazis with wristlocks and whipkicks. Never mind “Karate” chops to the backs of their shoulders. Nor do I believe that any Nazi ever attacked anyone with a Norman Bates-style downward stabbing motion.” Plus Leo never got his money back from the 30 day guarantee.
    How is Chris getting away with this? I remember some friends I had who swore professional wrestling was real well into their twenties. You know people thought the earth was flat too. If you look at it, it is not hard to demonstrate a good stance or karate chop or palm strike. Demonstrating and actual combat are infinitely different. And there is apparently nothing special in his DVDs. You guys who are supporting Captain Chris on this site, I think I know who YOU ARE! You are Captain Chris himself or a business associate. Either that or you are seriously delusional and have not had a lick of real combat outside of the sand box when that bully took your toy bulldozer. I am through being nice. Captain Chris go blow smoke up your own ass. You are a scam artist. I hope you get sued.
55. 
    Rae
    April 9th, 2010 on 3:49 pm

    Hello all, I have read a few of your comments and I now wish to make my own.

    I am a 17 year old girl and I have never been in a fight and I have never been attacked.

    About a year ago, my grandfather signed me and my two sisters up for karate classes at a local school. He had been reading statistics about attacks on females and he became worried about our safety. He decided that he would feel more secure if he felt confident that we knew how to defend ourselves.

    I recently came across Captain Chris when I saw his advertisement on a news outlet. I was curious about his claims and I also wondered if he was teaching any of the things my sisters and I were learning in our classes, so I did some research on him (including visiting his website) and I watched some videos of him online.

    I haven’t talked to my instructor about him yet, but I have found this article and the following comments very helpful. However, I am now beginning to feel less confident about my own skills and safety when I read your descriptions of fights you all have been in.

    Our instructor teaches several techniques that Captain Chris also teaches. He teaches them to us in what you guys have been calling an “unrealistic” environment (a wide open space with padded floors). He does try to teach them to us in as realistic way as possible. He resists us when we try a technique on him and he explains to us some situations we might need to use the technique in (rocky terrain, confined alley, and parking lot etc.)

    Also in our class we have an active police officer that has been in many fights. He has shown us techniques that he taught his fellow police officers and has used numerous times.

    We are taught “situational awareness,” when we are told to be constantly alert and imagining what we would do if such and such a way by the person standing to our left with the big muscles or if we were jumped by someone with a knife from behind that corner and so on.

    This should be enough to reassure me that I am getting a good education, but after reading your comments, I am beginning to doubt if that is true. Is there any way that I can be certain that what I am leaning will work?

    I can’t rely on size or anything (I only weigh 115 lbs.) and constantly hammering someone with “gross motor movements” won’t work for me. I have been taught to neutralize an opponent as quickly as possible (preferably in a few seconds) and then run. Is this reliable or not? I am scared that all I will do when faced with a dangerous situation is freeze despite the practice I have put in. What advice can you give me?
56. 
    Charles Prosper
    April 9th, 2010 on 9:58 pm

    Hi Rae,

    Let me step in and help you will your dilemma. I have the resources and the persons that you need. First I want to recommend that you get a copy of “Secrets of Street Fighting” by Norm Bettencourt and read it. This will teach you want real street self defense is about. You can get a copy on Amazon.com at this link.

    http://tinyurl.com/y5e9khl

    This will help.

    Regards,

    Charles Prosper
    “The Street Fighting Sifu”
57. 
    Ben
    April 10th, 2010 on 9:43 am

    Hi Rae,

    Listen, I understand your problem and I see how you may feel vulnerable, but I have a few tips that might help you in the future. I have been taking martial arts for many years now and have been in multiple fights. And I can tell you with great certainty that, the street is a dangerous place. First of all, the number one thing and the best thing you can do is avoid any dangerous situations, whether it be taking a walk outside at night or going somewhere without friends or anyone else. Now, if you do find your self in a desperate situation, I will tell you the three best things you can do on the street, they may seem unorthodox, but they will work: Spitting in someone’s face, bleeding on someone, or inducing vomit on someone. It sounds disgusting and very strange, but it is a very good deterrent. Now that I’ve said that, there is something you need to understand, and it is possibly the most important aspect of “street fighting”, some dojo’s call is zahnshin, others teach mushin. Basically, they mean always being ready for anything, because you cannot “teach” street self defense without the proper mindset to defend yourself. It doesnt matter how many techniques you know or how many years of training you know, if you dont carry the mindset of “kill or be killed” or “mindful of your surroundings” then all that training is useless. The training should only compliment your mindset because there is no “secret martial art” no one knows about or any “special” move that you can learn. It is mental. And remember, karate is not street fighting, but from what you’ve said about your karate center, it seems very focused on street fighting so if thats what you want to learn then good for you. I hope I have helped and good luck with your training.

    safety and peace,

    Ben
58. 
    Rae
    April 10th, 2010 on 10:09 am

    Thanks, guys. I feel a little better now. I will try to get a copy of that book. It sounds like a good resource.

    Yes, my school is very focused on self defense and believe it or not, I have been told about the spitting or inducing vomit on someone. I guess I just got a little worried when I saw all the comments about knowing Krav Maga and practicing in different sceneries (something my school doesn’t do). I also got upset when you started criticizing Captain Chris. We use some of the same techniques he uses, but after looking at his videos more closely and talking to my instructor, I realize that there is a better way to execute those techniques than the way he teaches. (Also, I am learning them with supervision instead of just watching a DVD.)

    Thanks for your encouragement! I will try to keep the right mindset about what I’m learning and will stay dedicated for years to come. Thank you again!
59. 
    Mike
    April 10th, 2010 on 10:03 pm

    Rae,
    I was your size when I was a freshman in high school. I could tell you what I did back then. I could tell you what I should have done. I had a little karate and I wrestled. In a straight up fight I could beat the average man. I would have been hard pressed to beat an athletic man heavier than 160 lbs, though. And I was just a kid. A top 120lb fighter could beat your average 200lb man no problem. You can do a lot of things to help your self and some things might not help you very much. Doing punches and kicks to the air and no resistance drills wont help much but they are a start. My recommendations to you would be to do some or all of the following. Besides karate do jujitsu, attend wrestling practice at your high school, box, do tai boxing, find an mma school near you. You need to get a feel for real combat. Success with street fighting techniques will be so much greater if you have a feel for real combat. To beat a larger opponent you need to evade them or otherwise nullify their strengths so practice against larger classmates. Dont get discouraged if you are not winning at first, it takes time. Do strength and conditioning. Eventualy you need to do the mile in six or seven minutes. Core strength is better than raw so do a lot of push ups and isometrics. As far a psychology, that is an easy fix. I have never seen a person so ready for battle as a mother protecting her child. So the question is what makes you throw down? For me it was all ways when I could see no way out of the situation. Then I would see red and in my mind I would thinking this is all or nothing. I never really think about it much, there is either a time to fight or not. Find out what female fighters are doing. A female fighter from europe had a fight in the usa and she stopped at the mma school I worked out at. I was quite impressed and the girls these days are only getting better. Who knows, you could be a prodigy. In a few years you could be the tuffest woman on the planet. Finally, if you dont want to do any of the things I mentioned get a Kuboton. It is a hunk of metal attached to your key chain. Even a moderate blow to the side of someones head is going to eff them up. You can hold it in your hand and it is hard to see especially at night so it is possible to get a sneak attack with it. I never leave home without mine. I advocate tuffness and basic skills more than street fighting techniques but that is just my point of view. Find out what works for you, it seems like you are pointed in the right direction. I wish you the best luck.
60. 
    Rae
    April 11th, 2010 on 5:41 pm

    Thanks, Mike. I’m heading off to a college near Chicago soon, so I want to be as prepared as possible. (Not that Chicago is a bad city or anything, but it’s still a city.) Some wrestling is required in my karate school to progress to the next belt. I will pay close attention to that and practice it as often as possible. I’ve never heard of a kuboton. Where can I get one? I know I can tuck a key in my hand with the end sticking out of my knuckles and that that can also do damage. MMA sounds fascinating. I’ll have to check if I can find any local schools. Thanks again!
61. 
    Mike
    April 12th, 2010 on 11:30 am

    Rae,
    You can find kubotans on the internet for about 10$ along with yawara sticks and the cold steel version of a koga. I prefer the kubotan because it is also has a key ring. I would get the kubotan with somewhat of a point. They are used to attack bony areas such as the head, ribs, clavicle shoulder area, and the spine. They are supposed to be non lethal but hitting some one in the head with these can cause serious damage so dont practice on someone with one of these. You could get pepper spray as well. That would make a nice one two combination. I would stay away from knives unless you feel you must have one. If you go before a judge you have to prove that your life was at stake and if you cant you will have some legal consequences. With your karate background if you went to a good school(possibly your karate school does this) that did serious striking and grappling full go practices two or three times a week like an mma or bjj school in two or three years you would beat any untrained person around your weight in a straight up fight. That is just a guess, it might only take you a few months. Who knows? And there is a great range in skill possible. I have seen a 160lb guy toss around a 285lb all state wisconsin wrestler.You might want to read the story of Wing Chun for inspiration. Knowing some good street techniques will give you an extra edge in a self defense situation. That being said, I have practiced many years. But if I feel I am being attacked I am picking up a kubotan or a weapon or anything handy. Again good luck.
62. 
    Mike
    April 12th, 2010 on 12:29 pm

    The reason I like the kubotan is that it has one shot stopping power and it is “non lethal”. There still aren’t any regulations on it either. Any good shot to the side of the head is going to put some one down. A good shot to the ribs is going to stun a guy, cause him great pain and make him think twice. You can bring it down hard between the neck and shoulder. And of course you could attack the groin solar plexis and throat. The ninja kubotan has spikes. The only skill you need is to be able to swing and connect. Obviously if you cant connect it wont help you. Still, chances are if you land one good to the side of the head the guy is going to be down for a while.
63. 
    Mike
    April 12th, 2010 on 12:56 pm

    Never mind all the other BS in Captain Chris’s system, if he had a weapon, like a kubaton in his hand the gross swinging motions he does would be somewhat effective against an unarmed man. With no weapon like a downward chop or hammer fist, it is not effective; it is stupid and only annoying to the adversary. Plus he is doing the same thing over and over. If you look at two sabre fencers and one does a high downward attack he exposes everything below his shoulders. Also any repetitive motion is more easily countered by the opponent. Captain Chris is a scam artist. His DVDs contain BS techniques. Also he does not honor his 30 day money back guarantee according to Leonard from New Mexico on rippoffreport.com
64. 
    Erik
    April 13th, 2010 on 2:12 pm

    As a young man I took Boxing and later Tae Kwon Do. Still later I joined the Marine Corps and took their ‘combat’ training and served over 5 years with the last 6 months in the gulf in 1990-1991 with Light Armored Infantry. During those 5 years I sparred with others from different disciplines and while I was not some 30 year martial arts guru, I didn’t lose any confrontations.

    None of that (except perhaps the USMC training) ever actually worked much in a fight though (Boxing, Sparring, Tae Kwon Do). What worked? Gross motor movement — but I wouldn’t have called it that then. I have found in those cases that sending my opponent flying always worked. Sure I could kick straight up into someones face, or throw a sidekick that would send a person flying (and broken) etc etc but that isn’t what I did when suddenly faced with an opponent I did not expect. Instead, I threw myself into them and once I’d put them down, back or out etc I then adopted my fighting position — but no fight went past that point. Why not? Becuase the initial reaction to the assault always ended with them out of the fight.

    I will admit however that I always thought it was my shear strength that did it because at 5′11″ and 200lbs I was bench pressing 350lbs and in fantastic physical condition (I was a serious Marine). However, once I heard what Chris was up to I realized that what I had done is what he’s trying to teach — it is reacting very fast and violently in a most unexpected manner and a very effective one.

    One point that Chris makes — and I have not even watched his video’s only seen the ads and watch a news video on it — is that this in NO WAY replaces martial arts/MMA type training. It isn’t intended to.

    It actually augments it becuase during that short ‘fight or flight’ time when the heart rate is racing and you have lost much if not all of your fine motor skills there isn’t much left but gross motor movement and adrenalin.

    Those who experience combat often learn to operate in a different place, they can often function in ways that the average person cannot (trust me, you don’t want the D boys coming after you if you are the bad guys) but they also train constantly. SO much so that things become instinctive and perhaps a bouncer isn’t unlike this. I’ve been under fire and functioned beyond normal — I was able to calculate action, determine logical things and make decisions in real time without really any significant loss of fine motor skills. But I did not and do not think that everyone is like this — only those who’ve been shot at probably even know and it takes more then just once becuase the first time you’re too busy hyper ventilating to seriously do more then smash and bulldoze. That’s why soldiers in combat refer to ‘losing’ ones cherry in combat — the first experience is mostly just panic and fear and it takes a while to learn to function in that environment (if ever).

    However, the average every day person doesn’t do this, has little to no fight training and will be in that ‘flight’ zone if attacked. In this case they need some method of confronting their assailant while their heart is pounding crazily in their chest and this method works.

    However, if it were me I’d suggest learning how to draw and fire a handgun after sending your assailant flying becuase if they are determined they might just get up — it is at this point where your heart rate will have come back down a little, perhaps enough, and you will be able to draw on those fine motor skills to take the next step but hand to hand fighting is NOT something you should attempt except as a last resort. In my experience he who enters a fight with just his hands and feet is either in a ring or asking to die. Bullets beat fists 100% of the time.

    Anyway, in the real world what you learn in the gym does not always work and something that teachers you the brute force attack of gross motor movements can be very effective.

    Just 2c from a USMC veteran.
65. 
    Mike
    April 13th, 2010 on 4:32 pm

    Erik,
    I am not going to disagree with everything you said. But some of it is just flat out wrong and would get people hurt. Attacking without thinking is all ways wrong and can leave you dead. If you are not thinking and your opponent is that could be all for you. I admit, you can get away with just flying full out into a guy sometimes. It might work if you are all ways larger than you opponent or even the same size. This gross motor movement stuff is just another way to say bull rush the guy and I will get back to that. And people freezing when attacked? None of my friends and team mates ever did. I even knew some girls who could be down right brutal. And the stuff about working out in the gym not being use full? Again, I totally disagree. By the time I started wrestling and practicing martial arts I already had several fights in school and in the neighborhood. I was able to mentally connect the two( that being practice and actual fighting) to better defend myself. Even without real fights wrestling and boxing are real enough as to not matter. Tae Kwon Do is complete bull shit, I agree with you there. I apologize to Tae Kwon Do people and I believe that maybe the way it was meant to be in Korea was a bit more to be respected but in America it is crap. As to what you said about responding viciously and violently, I agree with you there. I just don’t think you should respond stupidly and with out thinking. I said before that I did that type of fighting at a young age. Then I fought a guy bigger than me and who had four older brothers all ways coaching him how to fight. He kicked my ass so bad. I will never just fly into a guy ever again as he could have skills ie… the ability to counter and deliver a serious blow.
    Gross motor movements in reality are done much different than Captain Chris demonstrates. In mma you see big or gross movements when a fighter has a guy stunned and wants to finish him. Then he unleashes a flury of punches. Some fighters might risk it early if they feel there skills are so much superior. Diego Sanchez tried to bull rush BJ Penn early in their fight and he was rocked and was so close to being out. He recovered but BJ dominated the rest of the fight. Diego disrespected BJ’s skills and was nearly KOed. In reality the fight is about SMALL MUSCLE movements. It is the difference between the punch that KOs a guy and the punch that is shaken off. Or it is the small muscle movements a guy uses that make it impossible for him to be taken down. BJ Penn is a great example of that skill. I have seen him slip take downs that would get almost any other fighter on the planet.
    I would like to reiterate my agreement that an attack should be responded to violently and with full force. I agree there is a time for big aggressive movements to finish a guy. It is nice to have a street fighting technique as well. Obviously you cant really use some of those techniques in a match. I do not believe people freeze when attacked. I agree it is possible if they have a neuroses or trauma. I agree many arts are useless but I believe a little “real” practice goes a long way.
    I don’t want to hijack this thread so Charles, David and all you other guys please continue to comment.
66. 
    Rae
    April 15th, 2010 on 6:16 am

    Dear Erik and Mike,
    Everything you just said is exactly the reason I commented earlier about losing confidence in my training. I am small (barely over 5 feet and only 115 pounds) and it is physically impossible for me to overpower an attacker by bull rushing them. Especially since most attackers will be bigger than me.
    Capt. Chris teaches more than just “gross motor movements,” he also teaches some techniques that my school uses. I am able to use these to overpower someone easily, despite my size. (We do learn them in more realistic scenarios than someone just standing there and letting the technique be applied to him.) However, I am not going to ask someone to go full force on me just so I can get some “realistic” training. It’s just going to get me hurt and my instructor believes that you really don’t learn anything by getting the crap beaten out of you.
    Now do you see why I was concerned about my safety after reading everything you guys were saying? I think I’m just going to get some mace, that book that Charles suggested, and avoid dangerous situations. I have become thoroughly convinced that you can never become fully prepared for anything, even if you have years of experience with “real” fights or can rely on size. (Don’t take this to mean that I’m giving up on my training, I’m just giving up on learning anything from listening to you rehash all this controversy about self defense and different martial arts styles. It’s really not getting me anywhere.)
    Now if you’ll excuse me, gentlemen, I need to practice beating the crap out of something (realistically, of course) and gain 50 pounds. Peace out.
67. 
    Mike
    April 15th, 2010 on 12:11 pm

    Rae,
    I am sorry you are upset. Believe me though, many people are in you situation. Me included. Even a very big guy can run into someone bigger. And you can all ways be outnumbered. There are techniques you can use and serious practice will certainly help. You can make a gross movement and then execute a move or an attack or whatever but you have to execute that move. The best thing to do though is use your head, be psychologically indomitable and then use your skills. I never said your techniques wont work just that Captain Chris’s wont work, as in the gross motor movement without executing a move. The best thing that could happen would be that the guy would be surprised at the aggressive response. But then you would still have to follow up. I dont want to discourage you but there are no techniques your teacher or Captain Chris can teach you that will easily let you over power a bigger opponent. It is your skill at such a technique that could let you do such a thing. Let me assure you it is very possible. I have seen people your size do it to guys much bigger. If I were you I would use mace or pepper spray and a kubotan. If you sprayed a guy he might never see the kubotan coming. I would keep training as well. Practice pays off when a guy comes after you and you evade him or land a blow upside his head. Captain Chris does teach some basic jujitsu which is fine but it is nothing special as well as some other techniques you could get elsewhere and perhaps have them taught better. His claims about the techniques he can teach are complete BS, such as tossing any man on his head or the 2 hit combo guaranteed to brake a mans jaw. This makes him a scam artist. The corner stone of his system is over coming fear in a fight that would disable you. This is what he calls the black zone and the gross movement is the answer to it. He is right in in a way but he is also pulling a scam at the same time. You might make gross movements when scared, this is natural. I have done it but I also executed the counter calmly and with the best skill I could muster. I prefer the times when I was completely calm and I acted with skill and intelligence.
68. 
    Mike
    April 15th, 2010 on 5:31 pm

    Rae,
    I would like to apologize again if I discouraged you. There just is no technique that will allow you to easily overpower an adversary. There are many techniques but their effectiveness depends on your skill. You might recall that the Gracie family became famous in the 1990’s when Royce Gracie defeated many fighters who were much larger than him. It was not because he knew some secret technique he just practiced jujitsu intensely and daily until his skill became that great. Captain Chris is banking on selling the world that he knows some secret techniques. That is just BS. I would like to encourage you to practice. I think you should try to find some pro fighters and watch how they practice. Boxers wrestlers and mixed martial artists tend to do a lot of practice rounds. That is just the best way to improve their skill.
69. 
    Mike
    April 15th, 2010 on 7:05 pm

    So the black zone according to Chris is where your heart rate and adrenaline spike making you incapable of fine motor movement thus disabling you from using any skills you have learned. I wont deny that this type of nervousness has an effect but I have a different perspective on it. The first day I went to practice I was nervous. Then during practice I relaxed. Then next day and subsequent days I would be nervous going to practice, then I would relax. The mind has a fight or flight process that is unconscious and works in the back ground. That is a theory I guess I believe. The day of my first match I was so nervous I thought I would die. As the time came for me to finally compete my nervousness increased to the point where I dont think it could have gotten any worse. Then as the whistle and I made contact with my opponent the nervousness was gone and I was totally focused on the match. I did not end up winning that first one but it was exhilarating. In all my matches I was more focused because of that nervousness and not debilitated at all. As far as the actual street fights I had, they physically felt the same even though psychologically I knew they were different.
    Captain Chris is an incredible scam artist. He makes laughable claims and shows typical techniques. He wants a person to believe they could not use a martial art even if they knew one because they would be too terrified. Unless you use his system of course. Anybody reading this, you should read what they say about him on other sites. Also, I truly believe people posting here and defending him are actually members of his organization. No one could be that daft, they really would have to have no clue. Well, it was fun posting here thanks to all.
70. 
    Mike
    April 15th, 2010 on 7:46 pm

    God, I just tried to watch some more clips of Chris. He really sucks A**!
71. 
    Mike
    April 15th, 2010 on 7:53 pm

    Try watching this

    http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-4073642955304534223&hl
72. 
    Rae
    April 16th, 2010 on 5:59 am

    Why on earth are they demonstrating with a yellow belt? Yes, I think you are right about most of the people defending him. Have you noticed that most of their stories are the same? Like, “I never knew about gross motor movement but I was using it effectively! And then I saw Capt. Chris and I knew he was right!!”
    Sorry about my earlier comment. I didn’t mean to come across so strong, but I really felt discouraged. I will take your advice and practice until I can use the technique the best I can. Thanks for your helpfulness!
73. 
    P. Sheldon
    April 19th, 2010 on 3:21 pm

    Gee thx. for telling me in your intro. Captain Cris that my 9 MM won’t take someone down; guess i will have to carry around my .44 magnum then.
74. 
    ONE
    May 14th, 2010 on 11:26 am

    Oh almost forgot Captain Chris should be outlawed so we see how hw fares in prison:)
75. 
    james
    June 27th, 2010 on 3:59 pm

    My two cents? Mike is on the money. While I do not have a black belt, I do have training, albeit it was years ago. My sensei had this philosophy & he beat it into our heads “do not go out looking for trouble, but if it finds you, you had better be prepared for it.” To that end, we had to fight on a routine basis, not spar… fight. I was constantly walking around with black eyes & bruises. Staying alive & unharmed is best accomplished by remaining as calm & collected as possible. It’s not easy because the body does want to freak out, but you either force yourself to do it or you get hurt. Blindly flailing at someone won’t work. Nor will those idiotic chops Captain Chris is promoting. That’s a quick way to break your hand and most likely won’t do anything but piss off your assailant. Remember, he is probably angry, maybe high, maybe drunk, who knows what he is on. Any number of things could be fueling his rage & giving him strength. Only by keeping your cool can you react properly. Oh and my sensei also had another philosophy “you are never faster than a bullet.”
76. 
    Wusthof
    July 2nd, 2010 on 2:30 am

    Hi just thought i would let you know something.. This is 2 times now i have landed on the website in the last 2 weeks searching for completely unrelated things. Spooky or what?
77. 
    Glen S
    July 2nd, 2010 on 9:06 pm

    Ok here is a question i’d like all of you experienced bad asses to answer. What is the most effective way for a senior citizen who uses a cane and is not that spry, a wheel chair bound person, an over weight female with kid in tow, a guy on crutches cause he just had surgery on knee and anyone else not in peak athletic conditioning to defend themselves? how about a blind guy?

    I think we can all see that what works in the ring for top MMA guys is not what is practical or even doable for us average or below average physical specimens. Even carrying around a gun, mace, pepper spray, or knife may not be a good idea for self defense without a lot of training. So if Captain Chris’s techniques are just ineffective and a scam where do all of us look to find a better solution? A better solution is needed.
78. 
    Mike
    July 2nd, 2010 on 9:21 pm

    Use your head.
79. 
    WeaselSpleen
    July 4th, 2010 on 4:57 pm

    Glen S., the best defensive technique is to stay the hell away from idiots who like to fight. Don’t want to get into a bar fight with a drunk? Stay the hell out of the bar. Problem solved. Don’t want to be accosted by gang members? Don’t go sauntering around in front of gang members.

    Instead of worrying about what to do when you’re jumped by roving gangs of thugs, how about you worry about staying AWAY from roving gangs of thugs?

    The vast majority of people never have and never will engage in “close quarters combat.” If you’re being robbed, unless you are a real idiot, your first objective will be to prevent yourself from being killed or seriously injured. Generally speaking, that means you give ‘em your wallet, and do what they tell you to.

    I’d also like to point out that if you can operate a motor vehicle, you can kill anyone, no matter how tough and badass they think they are.

    Get behind the wheel of a big car, hit the gas, and watch the badass tough guy go bounce and splat. If he’s still breathing after you reduce him to a puddle of blood, shattered bones and torn meat, then you back over him a couple of times just to make sure.
    Game.
    Over.

    The biggest badass in the world with the most awesome martial arts skills will lose to a teenage girl in a 1979 Buick.
80. 
    Mike
    July 4th, 2010 on 9:47 pm

    I think they call that vehicular manslaughter.
81. 
    Ronin Kayne
    July 14th, 2010 on 11:43 pm

    To everyone who has posted on this thread…

    I can scarcely believe that it has been a WHOLE YEAR since this “debate” began and it’s STILL going on. The reason I stopped posting was because I could see where all of this postulating was headed and it finally happened.
    You have all acheived by your bashing, critizing, chest pounding, and opinionating, to do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you should be doing. You have removed the confindence of a young student and replaced that confidence with FEAR. In that act you have become no different than a common criminal who might attempt to attack her on the street. You have caused her to doubt and that is the worst kind of damage you can do. In fact that is the exact tactict that websites use to sell their programs to people.
    You have also proven, once again, the truth of the statement “If you wish the respect of those who are present, you MUST be loyal to those who are absent.”

    To Rae, I commend you for the courage you display by being confident to take a stand amidst all of the negativity that has been posted on this forum. Don’t allow that negativity to discourage you or make you think that you are “not enough” in any way. What you are learning has value in the fact that you are training so that you know what it is like to have an opponent in front of you. My grandfather taught me a long time ago “It is not the strength of your muscles, but the strength of your mind that truly matters.” He was indeed wise.
    Don’t let what everyone is saying here convince you that there is no way for you to protect yourself. This was what I meant at the very outset when we discussed the years of training some of the commentors have had versus a person in your situation. They would have you believe that it will be years or even never, before a “little” girl like you can take care of herself. It is a lie.
    I once saw a 5′9 210 lb Russian take down a 6′8 280 lb American with one punch to the jaw. He had to jump a little as the American was coming in for a take down. No style. No art. Just one punch. So, what does that tell you? That ANY person can beat ANY OTHER person on any given day regardless of their size. Period.
    It’s okay to be scared. Anyone who tells you their not at least a little scared of fighting is either lying or not in their right mind. Fear is the anticipation of pain. Courage is the acknowledgement of fear. The control of fear. NOT the absence of it. Stay alert where ever you may go. Especially while you’re away at college. Be mindful of your surroundings at all times. Never mind a kubotan. Go to http://www.spitfire.us and order yourself one of their pepper spray units. Whenever you go out keep it in your hand at all times! It does you no good in your purse or back pocket. The average uninjured male can cover a distance of 24 feet in 2-3 seconds. So even from “far away” an attacker could get to you before you could find it in your pocketbook.
    I have all my students order one. I ALWAYS HAVE ONE IN MY HAND even though I’m a “big” guy. Why? Because I intend to win by any means necessary. Because my life is more valuable to me than the person who has made the mistake of approaching to do me harm. And though we have never met, Rae, please believe me when I tell you that YOUR life is worth more to me than someone’s who might attack you. Use EVERY advantage to give yourself an edge.
    With regard to training at “full force” you are right, you can get injured , especially if you’re training with someone who is equal in knowledge to you and doesn’t know how to keep their anger/ego in check. At the end of every training session I attack my students at about 60% of what they might, experience in a “real” fight. The reason this is important is so that if/when it ever does happen to you, it will not be something completely alien to you. Your mind and body will remember what it feels like and your reaction time will be faster to defend. The fact is, if you are attacked, you stand a good chance of getting hurt, LIKE ALL OF US. So, the better prepared you are for the eventuality, the better the outcome.
    I suggest you work with someone you trust. Perhaps an instructor that will know how much force to apply so that you actually have to work hard to defend, but not so much that will get hurt. As you get better, that person can increase the intensity in accordance with your ability. Believe me, it will not take long for you to get to full force WITHOUT injury and it will teach you to slow your breathing and think through situations. Once you go full out for a minute or two (the average length of a street fight) you’ll know what it’s like to be in a “real” fight. You can’t be prepared for everything, but at least, it won’t take you completely by surprise.
    Know that you are on the right track. The fact that you are learning means that you are aware of the NEED to be prepared. If you are prepared, it will kick in when you need it. The techniques you are learning and the similarities between them and what Chris Pizzo teaches is not a coincidence. They are simple and effective movements. You’ll find as you grow in knowledge that everyone has an opinion about EVERYTHING. But, at the end of the day that’s all they are…OPINIONS. Opinions are not necessarily truth, they are merely that person’s perception of the truth.
    I will be happy to send you the manual I send all my students upon completion of my training FOR FREE. You may find it helpful. It is not long, but it does contains the essentials and picture descriptions of the techniques that you can use to both practice and teach others. Let me know if you’d like me to e-mail it to you. Keep training, mind what you are learning, and know that YOU ARE ENOUGH!

    Respectfully,

    Ronin Kayne
82. 
    Mike
    July 15th, 2010 on 12:17 am

    Lol, we have another idiot supporting Captain Chris.
83. 
    One
    July 15th, 2010 on 7:15 am

    why doesn’t someone just challenge old CC to a good old fashion ass whupin instead of wasting so much time in theory? Brass tacks, he shows up or hes fake
84. 
    Mike
    July 15th, 2010 on 8:14 am

    Captain Chris sucks A$$ Big time!
    His demonstration clips are laughable. He looks the way some yellow belts do when they step through techniques.
    Some of his techniques are retarded. If a person had any experience they would laugh their ass off watching this idiot trying to demonstrate one of those.
    The claims he makes on his web site sound like they are coming from a delusional person.
    He supposedly works out at an MMA school but has never competed against anyone. You can try looking him up on Sherdog. He never got a Grappling gold medal. That would have been in US Grappling databases as well.
    The guy is a Scammer and a Schmuck.
85. 
    Charles Prosper
    July 15th, 2010 on 10:58 am

    Gentlemen, this is Charles Prosper. Your comments and opinions are all welcomed, but I will delete from this point onward any comments or opinions that just result in name-callings. Any fool can do that. Thank you.

    Sincerely,

    Charles Prosper
86. 
    Mike
    July 15th, 2010 on 11:20 am

    I apologize Charles.
87. 
    Mike
    July 15th, 2010 on 6:33 pm

    In My Honest Opinion the way Captain Chris demonstrates most of his techniques is poor. Then there are techniques that he demonstrates that are questionable at best. From my experience these techniques could be useless or dangerous if attempted for real. A lot of other people share that opinion. Then there are the claims he makes on his website about a super secret unbeatable art. “How even a 105 pound girl can snap a big guy’s wrist or elbow like a stale pretzel rod.” “How to toss ANY man right on his head… and break his arm on the way down if you choose to do so.” And “How to go from rookie to master in hours.” If he can not back these claims up he is running a scam. Common sense would tell just about anyone that something about his claims are not right. Of course, none of these sensational techniques even appear in his DVDs. When you have spent years in the world of hand to hand combat whether by sport or self defense you learn what is humanly possible. What Chris claims above is not humanly possible. What he has done is spent a lot time and money to get people to believe a spiel. He sugar coats his pitch to make people think it is easy to become some unbeatable master. When in fact it takes hard work to become really good and even then it is hard to overcome a huge size difference or being greatly outnumbered. You can always use your head. You can get out of ugly situations but mostly and more easily avoid them altogether. Only when an antagonist is all up in your face is when you have to be carefull and be ready for some quick action, like strike or run. You can use the uncertainty against them. As my step father once said to a group of three young men very intent on doing some grievous ill to him while he was visiting an apartment building he owned “You don’t know if I’m nuts, or if I have a gun or a knife. You better just think twice about what you are going to do.” My step father has a ferocious will. The young men who were about 19, 18, and 17 let him go. If my step father had dropped into a karate stance he probably would not be here today. He was a healthy 50 year old man who wrestled in college. I could see him beating one young man, maybe two. Three would not look good at all. So you can see how I feel a little emotional about Captain Chris. I think he will rip some one off or even worse get them really hurt.
88. 
    Ronin Kayne
    July 17th, 2010 on 10:49 am

    To Charles:

    Thank you sir for trying to maintain a level of decorum and civility in this.

    To Mike:

    You apologized to Mr. Prosper, but you called ME an idiot. The interesting thing is that my post had NOTHING to do with CC and EVERYTHING to do with the discouraging comments made on this forum that have served to break the spirit of a young student and fill her with more fear than she had when she started training. Now she feels even more helpless than when she had NO TRAINING. And for pointing THAT FACT out, you, sir, call me, a person you’ve never met, an idiot.

    Well, if that makes me an idiot, so be it. My only question is…what does that make everyone who did that to her?…..

    All of you MA who have belts and styles and trophies and “years” of experience and are posting here, seem to have not learned a basic tenets of many of the MA forms. Things like RESPECT, KINDNESS & CONSIDERATION TO OTHERS, HELPFULNESS, & SEEKING PEACE.

    Yes, I realize that these qualities may seem a bit outdated, but to some of us, they are still important.

    Ronin Kayne
89. 
    Mike
    July 17th, 2010 on 4:58 pm

    Ronin,
    Name calling is not a civil way to behave and discuss a topic. It is different when someone is fairly labeled. Can it be argued that Captain Chris is running a scam and is therefore a Scammer? Yes. Could legal action be taken against him under laws of False Advertising. I think it could. But I don’t think it would get that far. It is too hard to prosecute people running similar style scams, such as “wieght loss” scams, home based money making internet scams, pyramid Schemes, Real Estate Investing: Infomercial and Mentoring Scams. Chris can say his way of self deference is the best or unbeatable even if he is stretching the truth grossly or is out right lying. I can say his technique is poor. I could use the s-word, as in “sucks” but that is a little impolite and maybe uncalled for. I can say “Lets see it, Captain Chris. Lets see, using your techniques, a regular 105 pound person snap a regular 205 pound man’s wrist( or just submit him) or throw him on his head ( I would settle for any throw) all the time, or even most of the time. Lets see a guy go from rookie to master in hours.” I say he is lying.
    But someone could say to me “Prove that it is impossible.” That is the problem. There have been people who have gone from beginner to world class in 3 years of hard work. It takes most of us ten years or more. In history, there have been people beating opponents twice their size or strength. The factors are either an incredible amount of skill or luck.
    About Rea, she did not seem upset. She said
    “I will take your advice and practice until I can use the technique the best I can. Thanks for your helpfulness!”
    That is a healthy attitude. And at one time I was in her shoes. I never got above 118 pounds until after high school. I wrestled and became one of the top competitors in my weight class. I had plenty of martial art experience and unfortunately I got into a lot of fights in and around school. I had a lot of knock down drag out fights with a lot of guys. Not all were my fault but I was not completely blameless in all of them either. I would not want to fight a healthy kid bigger than 160-170 back then, things just might not have gone my way. That was reality. I used my head to stay out of trouble because I spent a lot of time in Chicago and Waukegan. I gave Rae my best realistic advice based on being in a similar situation.
    Ronin,
    If you teach people fairly and to the best of your ability without misleading them, I should have said nothing bad about you. I don’t know you. You could be a good person. If you are a business partner with Captain Chris I would say you are a scammer. If you intend to profit by selling fantasy, wishful thinking techniques and a false sense of reality to people then again I think you are a scammer. In fact there are a lot of things one could say about a person like that with out resorting to insults. And as to your argument that any person can beat any other on any given day because “I once saw a 5′9 210 lb Russian take down a 6′8 280 lb American with one punch to the jaw.” There is less difference in muscle percentage in this class. There is a lot of body fat bouncing around too. That is why the class is from 205 to 285. That said even the natural Couture no longer competes against the 285 guys. Now imagine a 105 pound guy competing against guys from 205 to 285. There is no competition. A highly trained and conditioned individual can overcome size difference in the general population and at lower levels of competition. But, for example, very few competitors have been champions at their weight class and the one above.
    There are just some guys with my skills that I could not knock out with one punch or easily bring via a grappling move. If it was a must I would want something in my hand better yet I would just use my head to avoid the situation. Even the great fighters I have known might have the problem. Some conveying of common sense is owed, a person does not deserve to be lied to about the realities of life.
    I have found that Chris has not competed in MMA. He is not in any of the US Grappling databases. Where did that Gold medal in grappling come from? I have not found any major school or instructor who recognizes or respects him. The claims on his site about what one can do with his system are not humanly realistic by any standard. Captain Chris tells you about all the terrible things that are done by Fear and Jitters. IN truth, you can train all you want, it never goes away. If you are a cop or a soldier you are going to feel it before every situation. When the action happens you get into it. You don’t think, you just do your job or fight. SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIKE IT! THEY ARE CALLED ADRENALINE JUNKIES. Even these guys don’t want to get hurt or killed. They will use their heads to avoid the situation in the first place. I would love to extend respect to Chris if there was a basis for it. I have watched his demonstrations myself and have been unimpressed, I did laugh a few times. I must admit that. Thank you Chris, the world needs more humor. Please make more clips!
90. 
    Auto Glass Shop
    July 30th, 2010 on 3:21 am

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91. 
    Charles Prosper
    July 30th, 2010 on 4:30 pm

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    Charles Prosper
92. 
    Richard Cabesa
    August 6th, 2010 on 4:55 pm

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93. 
    Redd
    August 11th, 2010 on 7:20 pm

    Not 2 cents, more like 3 dollars & 74 cents…

    I just have to clarify a couple things. First of all, I won’t judge the talked about system since I haven’t looked it over. I can see some merit in it however, as the element of suprise will work against some attackers at some time…

    I feel that I have heard the term, “yea, martial arts didn’t do that guy any good when it came to a street fight”. Okay you guys that say this, here’s a lesson for you. Not to boast, but to educate…

    Know that not everyone who walks into a martial arts studio, is open to learning what real martial arts are about. If you walk in because you want to be the baddest guy on the planet, then you have missed the boat. Martial arts lesson #1 is about humility. You are not training to be Billy Bad Ass. You are training your mind & body so that you can be composed when you need to be and handle the situation. So, a trained martial artist that is composed for a situation, will be a loaded weapon for someone who thinks he is an easy mark sorta like the suprise attack of CC’s method…

    Sparring is not fighting, but it does give you muscle memory. Muscle memory is converted into subconscience movement. (i.e. a backfist to the temple)To the guy that attacked the female student & watched her as she cowared. Yep I agree that this will happen to many people trained or not. But I can guarantee you that many true trained artists would have left you bleeding if they really though you were making an attack & if you think about it, you weren’t at the 175 heartbeat level, so you would not have been prepared for the technigue that would have left you bloody & speechless… Food for thought…

    When men take martial arts, it takes them about two weeks before they start thinking about technique that they can convert for the streets. They may not get the right techniques but they try. Females take months to understand this & months more to realized that they are no match for a 250lbs male on a dead attack. It is easier to train males because, you can ring their bells in the most subtle of ways and watch an understanding sink in. Females have to almost always be overwhelmed in a lesson to get it but as far as I’m concered as an instructor, a neccessity that some instructors fail to teach.

    Next lesson, a 10 year old blackbelt is not going to fight off a 200 lb attacker. This needs to be taught with a purpose since parents don’t seem to listen. Again, composure from martial arts gives them a chance to escape.

    Martial Arts does not change your personality. Yes it will give you confidence, but if you can’t live with the thought of hurting someone really badly, then that training will do you no good in a bad situation.

    Why am I spewing this BS? Because someone who thinks Tae Bo or Kung Fu Theater is going to put you in the same league of a trained martial artist, is sadly mistaken.

    As I said, the Captain Chris thing may have some merit as an addition to my martial arts training and teaching. If it didn’t interest me, I would not have stumbled on this discussion. But I would not trade in my martial arts training & teaching experience for it…
94. 
    Archie Hill
    August 11th, 2010 on 8:50 pm

    some bowling balls are heavy and i accidentally dropped one on my foot. it is quite painfull*“
95. 
    J Stuart
    August 13th, 2010 on 4:07 pm

    I have to thank you guys for the varied and almost unanimous arguments against the Capt. Chris program. I almost signed up for it but decided to run a google search for reviews on his system. It saved me from a $69 dollar purchase.

    Instead I think I’ll go to netflix for some Krav Maga videos and some armed defense ones as well. Getting older with injuries as well I have often thought that my best chance for handling a situation is to see it coming and use technology first.

    In order of priority depending on where I am and can legally carry, I’d say CCW first – Glock, pepper spray, my cane (oak), maglite, and a Spyderco. I can’t carry them all but I hope to have at least one of them.

    If all else fails, I guess the unarmed methods will be helpful. I have trained in Kenpo, Tae Kwon Do, Kung Fu, and some lesser variation of JKD many years ago and realize that none of them prepared me for the street better than my previously very fast legs for running and hands for throwing things. My biggest complaint about many of the martial arts instructors from the past is the prepaid series scam. I even had one instructor that made a point of trying to discourage attendance once paid by having the better guys beat you up a bit during practice. I found that out years later from one of the guys I knew from there. It has left me to conclude that many of the guys in this biz may be good fighters but were less than stellar citizens with low ethics when it came to business dealings.

    Thanks for saving me some money on the Capt. Chris course. I’ll put the saved money into some 9mm ammo for practice and leave the unarmed arts for young and the dojo ballerinas.
96. 
    David Fox
    August 20th, 2010 on 4:58 pm

    Captain Chris is a fraud and his course is the worst I have ever seen. Please do not order any of his products. The only credit I can give him is his marketing ability to rip me off. Buyer Beware.
97. 
    Darrell Wells
    August 25th, 2010 on 12:50 pm

    When your mouth tasts like acid and you can’t get to you ASP or OC gas Scientific Combatives will help save your life without question. Relaistic rough house reflex training will also be required so you don’t turtle under duress!
98. 
    Mike
    August 25th, 2010 on 1:15 pm

    Darrel,
    What exactly is this realistic rough house training?
99. 
    Darrell
    August 25th, 2010 on 3:00 pm

    I made a mistake offering information. I apologize for wasting your time.
    God bless out!
100. 
     Ronin Kayne
     August 30th, 2010 on 8:27 am

     Paul Henry Danylewich is the director of White Tiger Street Defense, a professional security consulting group that specializes in personal safety issues for women and school violence prevention. He offers personal safety seminars and workshops for groups, companies, schools, colleges, and police agencies. Paul has been involved in martial arts and self-defense for over 19 years. His organization provides seminars and courses throughout parts of Canada and the U.S. n assault prevention and offers special consulting services to stalking victims.

     He holds a University degree in sociology and education. Paul often attends and gives presentations on personal safety and ’safe schools’ strategies to police officers, teachers, parents, and students. He has been accredited as a Crime Prevention Specialist by the New York State Crime Prevention Coalition. (Albany, NY)

     In his book “Fearless-The Complete Personal Safety Guide for Women” he states:

     “Martial arts schools are not regulated or licensed in most parts of North America. Schools may belong to professional organizations where they pay an annual membership fee. This does not necessarily mean much. In reality, ANYONE can open a school or start a new style of martial arts academy even with little or no experience at all, just as easily as opening up a small business. You should be aware that the type of school that you are searching for (one that teaches “real” and “practical” personal defense) will be extremely rare and probably slightly more expensive than your neighborhood karate school.

     Be wary of karate schools who also claim to teach self-defense. Most martial arts schools that teach traditional disciplines…DO NOT TEACH THE TYPE OF TECHNIQUES THAT YOU WILL FIND USEFUL DURING AN ASSAULT. Many instructors sell themselves as experts as they refer to the number of trophies that they have won in regional or national competitions for fighting or for kata. You will need to stay away from schools that practice fancy high spinning kicks or offer little or no contact fighting. – you need to find a school that specializes in practical and non-traditional fighting techniques. This school typically WOULD NOT participate with other schools in competitive sport events.

     Many MA instructors have very big egos just as every student in the martial arts believes his style of MA is the best. Once you find the right school you should not have to sign a contract committing to a term longer than three months. The entire program may range from three to twenty-four hours or more.”

     Interestingly, his book spends the first 52 pages talking about resistance strategies and techniques as well as prevention and awareness before ever explaining how to deal with an actual attack. Then, in the next 64 pages you find over 140 photos detailing how to deal with different grabs, and chokes. Many of the solutions are EXACTLY the same as what is taught by CC. The techniques are simple and straight forward, no nonsense solutions to being attacked/grabbed by a man. No punching or fancy kicking involved. Just lots of palm/tiger claw strikes to the chin, and elbows. The ground/bed strategies are almost EXACTLY the same as CC’s “Women’s Self-defense” instruction with a few exceptions in that Paul goes into greater detail in a woman using her legs to trap/fend off and seriously injure the attacker while she is prone/on the ground. Paul’s Choke defenses are the same; headlock defenses are the same; bear hug defenses very similar; hair pulling defense is the same as CC. So, what is a martial artists doing teaching these same, simple techniques? Oh right, there is an exception…this book was published in 2001, or way before CC began his marketing campaign. If anything, I would believe that CC may have seen this publication and expanded a bit on some of the techniques while omitting others.

     Per Mr. Danylewich, the book is a guide to provide women with a basic knowledge and understanding of self-defense. It is intended to be a supplemental aid, rather than a substitute for an actual self-defense course. He adds, “ If you wish to gain greater knowledge of the subject, enrolling in a self-defense class or seminar will be necessary.”

     So, okay, DON’T buy CC’s program…buy a book published by a MARTIAL ARTIST whose been teaching women the SAME TECHNIQUES for nearly twenty years now, and admits that MARTIAL ARTS DO NOT GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DEFEND YOURSELF IN REAL LIFE SITUATIONS. Then go find someone to drill you on THOSE TECHNIQUES which should take you only about three months to learn…no colored belts or gi required.

     Or…all of you may now commence bashing Mr. Danylewich because YOUR style is better…..
101. 
     Mike
     August 30th, 2010 on 9:37 am

     Ronin,
     It is not that Captain Chris or CC as you call him, does not attempt to show actual techniques. Some of his techniques are the same as you would find in judo, karate, or jujitsu. That fact is he looks ridiculous doing them. He has yellow belt level skill. On top of that some of his techniques are just stupid. Karate chops to the upper body, come on? Then there are his ridiculous claims of his unbeatable Nazi killing martial art and how he can make anyone a master in hours. And when people are disappointed with his program he does not refund them. Danylewich has some books on amazon. They don’t seem too special, like with a lot of great review but at least he does not seem to be scamming people at first glance.
102. 
     Ronin Kayne
     August 30th, 2010 on 1:29 pm

     Mike,

     My point is not to “defend CC.” I don’t know him or make any money from him. My point is, and has always been, that this estimation of the validity of techniques is based not on fact, but on, as you say, “looks” and “appearances” and “opinions.” These opinions are based on individual perception and again, not on fact.

     Consider for just a moment the clavicle also known as the collar bone. Could one, with a single well placed chop, hammer fist, or elbow, incapacitate an attacker? Six pounds is all it takes. Six pounds of force pressure can break the clavicle of the most built bouncer or the most determined rapist. You can generate hundreds of times more pressure with a downward stroke to drive a nail with a hammer. So, perhaps CC should have mentioned a specific target. But specific targets tend to get forgotten in the haze of fear induced stress.

     Could one man incapacitate or even eliminate an entire platoon of soldiers? Does that sound ridiculous? Does it sound as ridiculous as the idea that a single “ninja” could do the same in a night? Or that a Native American warrior could do something similar with a bow and a knife, using the shadows as camouflage. These are documented events. I wonder how ridiculous it would sound if someone said they had learned the stealth techniques of the Lakota Sioux and were now teaching them as a form of self-defense.

     How much does one month’s worth of lessons at a karate, Taekwondo, or jiu jitsu? After taking a month or a year of training, how many studios would return your money? What if every student after a month of training said “I want a refund?” In this day and age, where you can easily copy digital media, it is so simple to say “I didn’t like your program, (but I copied it), I want my money back. There are many companies that will not refund your money once you have opened digital media.

     Yellow belt level skill…this obsession with colored belts is so strange to me. It takes between six months to a year to “earn” a yellow belt. Could a one year student defeat an untrained attacker? Shouldn’t they be able to do this? If they can, then that is all they need to defend themselves. So then, if one at that level were to train someone else to do only that. Is that not what one is paying for? Nothing is what it seems at first glance. Even after a first glance it is only what the individual perceives it to be and NOT what it really is. After all…some people thought Tae Bo was actually a martial art…didn’t they?
103. 
     Glen S.
     August 30th, 2010 on 3:06 pm

     I have been following this post for almost a year and I post occasionally. I am one of the few on here who actually purchased the program. There is a lot of puffery in CC statements about his programs.

     Puffery as a legal term refers to promotional statements and claims that express subjective rather than objective views, such that no reasonable person would take them literally.[1] Puffery serves to “puff up” an exaggerated image of what is being described and is especially featured in testimonials. (Wikipedia).

     Puffery is used all the time to sell every type of product and service imaginable. Puffery also sometimes can feed on itself and help to create fads. Remember the oat ban craze in the 90’s? There was a study suggesting that oat bran is beneficial to heart conditions. So, cereal manufacturers put oat bran or highlighted the oat bran in their foods. They advertised and “puffed” up statements about the benefits oat bran could provide. As always specifics were hidden in small print. Suddenly all sorts of food manufacturers were putting oat bran in every imaginable product and telling people how if they ate it they would receive all sorts of health benefits.

     Later more studies about oat bran came out that gave people a better idea about what oat bran could actually do for people.

     Some people think that CC is scamming people or should be outlawed. CC is not scamming anyone or doing anything illegal. He is using puffery to sell his products. That is not illegal. In my view it is not unethical to do that. Let the buyer beware.

     I came across this forum simply because I was interested to know what other people’s thoughts or experiences were with the product. This forum was very interesting in that it had many passionate voices both for and against CC products and techniques.

     I had stated in my first post that I may have paid too much for the information CC provides in his DVDs. Doom on me. The techniques CC demonstrates are different than anything I have learned at martial arts schools. In fact, all his techniques could easily be demonstrated and taught in just a couple of hours in a martial arts class. Once you have seen them and practiced a few times you always remember them, just like riding a bike.

     I check this forum every time there is a new post. I have not watched the CC videos in several months. I remember the essential techniques CC demonstrates and practice them from time to time. One thing that CC talks about that most expert martial arts pros who post on here miss is that self defense must be accessible to all people regardless of age, health status, gender, ability, strength, and etc.

     So, using commonsense or developing some common sense about your situation is the most important thing all thinking people can do to defend themselves. Rely on all your available senses to avoid dangerous situations. Try to have more than one option. Ronin says he always has mace. That’s option number two after using his senses and applying common sense to the situation. Option three may be techniques he’s learned in a dojo, or from a video. Option four may be to run or if unable to yell. There are always choices you can make until you are out of the situation or completely incapacitated.

     The reality is that nothing works all the time or for everyone. If it did we would not need policemen or even armies right? Try to put yourself in good situations. If you are out there with a chip on your shoulder someone is going to knock it off. Or may be you are so good at beating people up that it is a matter of time where you land yourself in prison. OK your choice.

     A very simple technique that CC teaches is “taking the high ground”. To do this you keep your hands higher than your potential adversary. For example you are in a bar with friends having a beer. An unknown person approaches you and begins a conversation. You naturally and without alarm place your right arm over your left arm, do not cross them. Just one on top of the other. So your opponent is talking to you with his hands at his sides. You have the advantage as it is easier to block, strike, your opponent because your have the high ground. During the conversation your opponent brings his hands up equal to yours. Simply raise your right arm up to your right ear. You have taken the high ground once again. Your opponent’s beer finally comes and he leaves. Your right arm goes back over your left arm. Relaxed, confidant. You leave at the end of the night with your friends.

     Was that self defense? Probably not, your opponent simply was chatting you up while getting his beer. But you could not know that before hand right? Did it cost your anything to adopt a superior body stance that gave you an advantage? Could I have learned this technique in a martial arts school? Did I pay too much to CC for this information?

     All the answers to those questions are subjective to the person answering. When we make all kinds of statements in support of our own point of view we are doing essentially doing the same thing as CC except that he is selling his P.O.V.
104. 
     Mike
     August 30th, 2010 on 3:42 pm

     As far as looks go, if someone is demonstrating a known common technique then you can most certainly judge it on looks. There are right things to do and wrong things whether it is a transition in grappling or a combination in strikes. You can not easily judge a fighter you are watching when he is in unorthodox situations or in scrambles or if he has a crazy style. You just have to see how he does against other fighters.

     I have had good instructors and bad ones. This is not a personal opinion. Some instructors were just good at demonstrating all the key points in a technique. Some instructors hardly showed any. If you are selling a dvd you should have good technique and it should not look like your first time doing it.

     Striking the clavicle is possible. So is knocking out a guy with a cross if you hit him on the button. But to get the clavicle your target is about a half inch squared. You would have to hit perfect, a half inch off either way and you got nothing. And you would need more than six pounds. A full power strike might not do it under perfect conditions ie like the guy is just sitting there letting you do it. I have been hit there hundred of times in foot ball and rugby, I never broke anything. I have seen chops and done them and I would never attempt chops to the shoulder in a fight.

     Are we talking self defense or covert ops? Usually you hear of these glamorous infiltrations in folklore or you see them in the movies and you say ‘I could do that’. Try doing it to a well guarded well lit camp and see how successful one guy is going to be. I have heard a lot of stories from ww2 to Vietnam to today and I have not heard any of these Hollywood scenarios.

     Thinking you are going to go unarmed against a platoon of soldiers in any daylight condition is delusional.

     If you sell a product money back guarantee then that is what you have to do.

     Belts are pretty much meaning less to me. They are not a real indication of skill in most cases. Even BJJ black belts have a huge range in actual skill. But all unskilled beginners look pretty much the same. What people can learn and do in a year varies as well. With the best teacher and student a year of training would give you an edge and the training would probably be worth it. Even the best guys in the world only have an edge they are not unbeatable.

     You really sound like you are defending Captain Chris, Ronin. I understand your arguments but there are a lot of standard techniques that span many disciplines. “A punch is just a punch” as Bruce Lee said. And they are readily apparent to anyone with a little self defense or mma experience. Then there is fantasy. I believe ninja’s pulled off some neat jobs in the past, but I have yet to hear of a ninja taking out an American base or any base in recent times. There is a lot of fantasy martial art as well. It is used to sell Hollywood movies. The real stuff takes time to master.

     The good techniques Captain Chris does are generic. The bad techniques are laughable. He makes ridiculous claims like making someone a master in hours. Most people get an adrenaline rush in bad situations, Chris claims one needs to be taught not to be paralyzed by fear. I really don’t understand that.
105. 
     Mike
     August 30th, 2010 on 4:45 pm

     Glenn,
     Is it puffery to say your car does 0 to 60 in four seconds when it really does it in eight? I think Chris went way beyond puffery and into the realm of false advertisement. You are one of the few people who find anything beneficial in Chris’s teachings that was not generic. Mostly people feel that they got ripped, that is what is on the net. Positive reviews are on highly suspect blog/sites. I have seen a lot of his stuff and it seems like total bs mixed with generic techniques. That is my honest opinion.

     I don’t like the High Ground Philosophy you mentioned, at least it never worked for me. What I learned through pain and tears is that if someone is going to attack you they get inside your space and hit you with a sucker punch. All that maneuvering won’t help, you won’t have enough time. If you stay farther than arms length and keep your eyes on the guy you are going to be in good position to respond before the surprise attack lands.
106. 
     Ronin Kayne
     August 30th, 2010 on 10:38 pm

     “I don’t like…” “It’s my opinion…” “I think…”

     Everyone’s “I’s” seem to be too close together. In the final analysis it really makes no difference what anyone posting on this forum thinks. Everyone states their opinion like it is fact and truth.

     It matters not that you believe or don’t believe that I am not associated in any way with CC. It is obvious you can’t be convinced of anything but your own opinions. That is fine. However, those who say “anyone who defends CC MUST be part of his organization…” must agree that the converse is also true. That all of those who defend martial arts MUST be working for some MA organization and dedicated to perpetuating the myth that martial “arts” is actually self-defense. Mr. Prosper doesn’t believe that. Paul Danylewich doesn’t think so. And most street fighters don’t think so.

     The truth is that most women are not attacked my MAs or MMA, or a UFC fighter. The average person, if they are ever attacked, will be attacked by an average non-martial artist attacker. That being the case, a three month intensive course that teaches a few basic, but effective tools will be more effective than 1400 different methods taught over ten years to a student. You want to know what the real difference is? About $10,000.00 dollars.

     The reality is that martial arts is an industry just like any other. It is a money making machine that commits people to paying for lessons not one time, but for years. And when a student loses a competition they don’t get their money back. And when the child with the green belt still gets beaten by the school bully, his parents don’t get their money back. But the machine keeps grinding and making money selling everything from gear, to books, to videos, to whatever.

     Interestingly no one has mentioned the billions that the MA industry makes selling merchandise to people who want to learn how to defend themselves. There are literally thousands of instructional videos and books that make promises that will not come true and after a person watches the videos or reads the books they’ll be no closer knowing how to defend themselves. But…there is always the neighborhood MA studio that will be available. They still won’t know how to defend themselves, but hey, at least they’ll have some confidence and they’ll belong to the ever growing martial arts industry community.

     By the way…the High Ground Philosophy was not invented by Captain Chris.

     “Always choose the higher ground – in battle as well as in debate.” – Tzun Tzu – The Art of War
107. 
     Glen S.
     August 31st, 2010 on 1:37 am

     Not claiming CC invented the high ground philosophy. It is one technique he demonstrates in his program.

     And Ronin you make the point which led me to purchase the CC program in the first place. I had spent much more money at a couple of different MA schools and felt like after all that time and expense that I really was unprepared and unready for self defense as a the result of that training.

     After the CC program I have come to realize that self defense is more of a state of mind than any specific technique. There are techniques that I learned in MA schools and CC that I hope will help me defend myself and family should the need arise. Those techniques may not work. The best instructors, coaches and conditioning may not work. My common sense about a situation could be wrong and get me hurt.

     All the training, techniques, awareness, devices and tools are mere precautions that may not work at all when the time comes. So, do we let ourselves get pushed around or do we do what we need to do to increase the probabilities that we return home safely each day?

     I have limited knowledge of self defense. That said, I still have the responsibility to defend myself and my family from harm. That is every person’s responsibility.

     Mike what is wrong with MA is that it is just like joining a gym. The gym never really promises you that you’ll get in shape but that is what people think when they join. The gym doesn’t care whether or not you get fit they just want to keep you going so that you won’t quit and stop paying dues. When you get frustrated they will sell you personal training at $50 an hour. Getting fit takes a lot more than working out at some gym and self defense is more than grappling classes, jui jitsu, or kick boxing.

     There are a lot of expert critics of CC and there are flaws certainly with his program. There is a huge market for what he is selling though. I’d like to see someone with some verifiable credentials?, some type of authority put out a program that makes self defense accessible to old, young, male, female, healthy, handicapped, disabled people and make it affordable.

     If there is anyone who contributes to this post who would like to pursue that I would be interested in participating. Hopefully I’d learn some useful things. Only problem is that as soon as you get your product out it will be discussed as a total fraud and waste on a forum somewhere. But there has got to be someone who could actually devise a program to teach self defense techniques that are effective and do not make the MA purists cringe. Look what P90x DVDs have done for fitness.
108. 
     Mike
     August 31st, 2010 on 3:56 pm

     Ronin,
     You make a good point about the MA community. A lot of it is just to make money. The first Karate and Tae Kwon Do schools I went to were almost worthless. But that was twenty five years ago. In the past fifteen years more and more schools practice seriously. I still see the silly schools every now and then with the students hoping around and kicking the air. However, just about any BJJ school, freestyle or MMA club will give you the real deal.

     True you could train a couple months with some basic techniques and have a little edge. When I was younger I did a little training and I had a little success defending myself. But I only had a little edge. When you practice for a few years the little edge turns into a huge edge.

     Martial Arts is not self defense? What do you think its purpose was, recreation? Training for the parking lot assailant is not so different than training for the ring. Usually the assailant is trying to take you unaware or by surprise. I have practiced for just these scenarios but in the end I was happy with just my basic skills. I never did anything fancy

     A lot of the books and videos out there are not too special. The techniques seem similar and so are the prices. I respect Hock for example, but I am not going to buy his knife defense dvd’s. Hock is not making any ludicrous claims and his techniques are solid and widely appreciated, where as Captain Chris does make ludicrous claims and I start laughing my ass off when I watch his clips.

     I said before, there are striking and grappling techniques that can be done correctly or incorrectly. That is not opinion, the application of techniques are fact. I have had the opinion that one fighter would beat another before a match and have been wrong, everyone has. Otherwise I would be rich from all the bets I won. You can watch a fight and see the technical mistakes, though.

     Captain Chris throws in common techniques in his demonstrations. Is he any worse than some of the martial art instructors I knew in the eighties? I would say no he is not. Today grappling and striking techniques are being taught in high levels every where. There are different schools and disciplines and I respect them. There is no martial art conspiracy because the truth is out there as witnessed in Pride, UFC and other venues.

     People claim Captain Chris ripped them off because of one thing, he showed unimpressive common techniques and none of the special fantasy Nazi killing techniques he promised. He offered a money back guarantee! Then he just is not going to honor it? That is Lame.

     I don’t care if you are affiliated with Captain Chris either, Ronin. There are just tons of people who think he is a fraud. That is a fact not an opinion. Aside of a few generic techniques he offers nothing for his promises. Any one can use their head to avoid bad situations it does not take any special training, now that is my opinion, a little training might help. When and where did he get his Grappling Gold Medal? Why are there no respected fighters out there that respect Captain Chris other than anonymous bloggers?

     No one calls Hock a fraud, or Gracie, or Bruce Lee, or Usheba or Musashi. What they sold is what they promised and they backed it up.

     Women can train too, but should you promise them they are completely safe with a few basic techniques against average or bigger men? No. They are in the same boat as any of us are if we come up against some one bigger. That is just reality.

     The High Ground maybe in the Art of War but if you let a suspicious guy get in your space you wont have time to stop the sucker punch even if you are really fast.

     Glenn,
     The Martial Arts are more real and accessible to people than ever before. The Hollywood bs just is not there very much as people see real fighters with real skills. I knew a veteran of the UFC Pride and Bodog. His students knew what the were getting because they could train with pro’s a couple times a week. Some became serious fighters but all were getting real skills. That is the difference between today and years ago when kung fu and karate were just things you saw in the movies.

     I have been sick and injured. I have competed while sick and injured. But fighting is really only for the healthy. You need a certain amount of strength and health if you are going to do it. I fought when I was so sick I nearly lost my leg to an infection. However I sprained my neck in an accident. I couldn’t fight anyone for three months. If you can’t fight, you can’t fight. Use your head, get a dog, use another option.

     Sorry Glenn, but you are not going to find too many disabled sick or old fighters. You need some strength and mobility for even the most basic self defense. If one can strike and bring down an opponent it might be possible. There have been blind wrestlers at even the college level. There was a guy on my team with one leg. These guys were good athletes though. The father of aikedo practiced into his seventies I believe but he was amazingly strong and skillful when he was young so what he lost in old age didn’t matter as much.

     Glenn, I can’t think of any situation where common sense would not have kept me out of trouble.

     I respect a lot of schools and disciplines. I don’t believe in any fantasy Hollywood bs or a simple unbeatable system any one can learn in a few minutes.

     I would respect Chris if he presented good techniques in a reality based way. The value of techniques are facts not opinions. They pretty much span all the arts in mma today. Even if Chris presented good techniques I would still have a problem with his claims he uses to sell his dvds. He makes promises of making people unbeatable masters in mere hours. And some other BS as well.

     Before buying Chris’s dvds I would check him out on bullshido.com and rippoffreport.com
109. 
     Glen S.
     August 31st, 2010 on 6:23 pm

     “Glenn, I can’t think of any situation where common sense would not have kept me out of trouble.”

     You must fight every time you leave the house.
110. 
     Mike
     September 1st, 2010 on 10:56 am

     Every altercation I ever got into would have been prevented with the application of common sense. I started to realize this when I was around 22 and I have not had an altercation since.

     So what are you trying to say, Glen?

     I know you say you have a limited knowledge of self defense and you can not trust your common sense to keep you out of trouble. I feel sorry for you. Most people get by with a basic knowledge of ’self defense’ and they can use their heads and not wind up in a bad place at the wrong time and they know not to say something stupid that invokes anger in strangers. Some people are just interested in martial arts or they want to give themselves an edge or a big edge. Some are cops, some are soldiers, some are body guards and bouncers, so the greater possibility of violence is a life style choice. If you are going to trust Captain Chris’s teachings I really feel sorry for you as you will be in an even worse position. There are plenty of good teachers out there. Maybe you ought to pick one who is not on ripoffreport.com or bullshido.com. and at least a dozen other sites dealing with scams. Just a suggestion.
111. 
     Russian W.
     September 2nd, 2010 on 5:38 pm

     Tangentially, does anyone teach how to handle physical confrontations?

     In the real world, here are the common scenarious:

     Someone gets close to you acting aggressively towards you and you are wondering whether to ignore, talk or prepare to defend/fight. How can you tell which behaviors by a stranger are likely to lead to a real attack?

     What can you do to make someone less likely to proceed to an attack?

     How much rope to you give a stranger who’s just weird and how close do you let him get?

     What about in a social situation? How do you let the aggressor know that you are prepared to fight if they don’t back down so that you don’t start a fight where not necessary?

     The things I learned (I think) from this thread:

     1) When someone’s threatening you and his eyes move from your eyes to your body, he’s beginning to attack.

     2) Any threatening, aggressive actor who gets closer than arms’ distance should be attacked by you first.

     3) When threatened, putting your arms up and then down invites an immediate attack. Keep your arms up.
112. 
     Glen S.
     September 2nd, 2010 on 8:05 pm

     Mike save your pity for yourself. My common sense is just fine. I cannot accept when you say that disabled sick or old can’t fight and thus cannot defend themselves. There are too many examples of old and really old people who have been able to do just that. Like the 62 year old guy on the bus in San Francisco or the 80 plus year old grandma in New York who fought of a mugger. It was not reported that they were martial arts experts so it is miraculous that both of these seasoned citizens were able to survive and in fact vanquish their attackers isn’t it?.

     The problem that I have had with martial arts programs that apparently you have not had is that they do not teach any self defense. One instructor told me that after one obtains their black belt then one is initiated to the deadly aspects of the art. He then said that 7 years of dedication it would be possible to obtain a black belt. So 7 years after beginning instruction I would then be taught effective deadly techniques of self defense. I can ask the mugger to wait and mug me in 7 years because then I can take care of things (sic).

     I’m glad that you agree with me that common sense and using your brain and paying attention to situations is the most effective form of self defense. I am also glad that you have been able to use those skills to not have a fight since you were 22. I read your original statement to mean that common sense would not work. My bad.

     I am not nor have I ever said that the CC program is a perfect unbeatable method of self defense. What his program does do very quickly is demonstrate a method of self defense. I have said that the cost of the program is high. But I have spent much more for first myself for monthly payments to a MMA style training program and then later for my family for MA instructions. Neither program taught any self defense at all. Certainly they taught techniques that might apply for self defense. Its true that any technique that works when needed is instantly priceless.

     Take a lot at the yellow page ads for martial arts instructions in your community. Nearly every single ad says “self defense” in it somewhere. When they make that claim and then do not teach any self defense or make you wait 7 to 20 years or however long to become a master then those advertisers claims are just as immoral as the ones CC makes that you do not like. I hope your just as vociferous in your critique of MA schools who do this as you are of CC.

     It is the almost universal claim or recognition that MA are the authority in self defense when the MA does very little self defense teaching I have a problem with.
113. 
     Mike
     September 2nd, 2010 on 10:06 pm

     Glenn,
     I appreciate your position on MA. As a matter of fact I have dealt with those instructors who teach you practically nothing and want you to keep coming and dishing out dough until one day you hope to get your black belt. I have no respect for them. They are dying off, and not fast enough, as mma is growing.
     About the old and sick defending themselves I clearly stated that Usheba, the father of Aikedo was a major bad ass late into his seventies. I mentioned that both blind and people with amputations have competed at high levels of collegiate wrestling. I have had two serious injuries in my life. One to my neck and one to my spine. Both times there was no way to defend myself with out a gun. I believe there is a point a person can reach where they can not defend themselves any more. I am not completely disagreeing with you I just think that you may be unrealistic.
     Do you want to see a video of a woman defending herself from a dude and totally kicking his ass? Check this out.
     http://www.bofunk.com/video/263/big_momma_beat_down.html
     As far as Captain Chris goes, he is aggressive and he advocates aggressiveness. This is the only positive thing I can see. It is good from a beginners perspective. You want to be aggressive that is the only thing you got. After training you can get some skill. There is a lot that is technically wrong with what Chris is trying to sell which probably does not matter on the beginner level but after a few months of training I believe this would be obvious. Glenn, come on. Did you even read the BS claims on his website? Maybe I am a stickler for honesty.
     I hate those BS self defense instructors too. But we have two different ideas of the Martial Arts and it falls in the category of training. There is bull shit training where your black belt does not mean squat and then there is real training. What is real training? What are we attempting to do? We want to strike our opponent or bring him down. For thousands of years real training involved intensive exercise, and simulated striking and grappling with a practice partner. Just a few months of real training can do amazing things. A couple years could make you the best in the world.
     Physical strength increases. The first day of practice you might only be able to do ten push ups, after three months you might do a hundred. The skill range is greater. In high school wrestling you have the lowly freshman level, then the junior varsity, then varsity. The varsity guys kick the crap out of everyone in practice but when they compete they have to get through regionals then sectionals finally to state before they compete for the championship. You might think that the 285 pound all state wrestler is at the top of the food chain until you see the 150 pound collegiate level coach kick his ass.
     I have had many years of practice and I feel confident against most of the so called non martial art attackers. I look at it differently, Glenn. How strong and fit is the guy. Are there two of them. Even with all my practice I only give my chances better than average. If I was competing I would know my weight class and the type of my opponents. On the streets there is no guarantee any martial art or system can give you. It is better to use your head.
     I find I don’t really disagree with you Glenn. It is kind of sad that after all these years you could not find any decent instructors but then again I tried to and did not find any until mma came along. I give Captain Chris top marks for aggression, poor marks in every other category.
114. 
     Mike
     September 2nd, 2010 on 10:55 pm

     Russian W.
     Have you ever had a dog? Did you ever see them go nuts when a particular stranger passed by but were perfectly fine when ever any one else went by? The dog had a sense, something about the stranger was not right. If a guy is giving you that vibe stay alert and keep your eyes on him.
     Have you ever seen a small dog go after a big one? Like terrier go after a Rottweiler? The dog never thinks how big it is, it only thinks its nuts. If a guy comes is coming at try telling him “I’m psychotic. I have a certificate of insanity in my pocket. Wanna see it MFer?”
     Eye contact is the primary sign of aggression with dogs. If a dog is not looking at you and seems to be ignoring you it is not going to bite. If it is staring at you coldly and intently keep you hands away you might pull back a stump.
     If a guy is making his moves and you look him in the eye like you are going kill him it is more of a deterrent then anything you could say.

     Thats how dogs handle physical confrontations Russian W. There are some similarities with people.

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