Incidentally, I gave up working on the door almost a decade ago to move on to bigger and better things – I have worked as a professional bodyguard and surveillance operator for the last 10 years which, seemed like the natural progression from working the door circuit and with regard to working the door, I guess things have changed in that time period.

That said, I am also big enough to admit that I too was a little belligerent especially in my last post in which I addressed you all. That was the first time (and the last) where I have used profanity when addressing others with whom I have no personal affiliation and for that, I apologize.

This is a very small world and there are enough wannabes and jokers out there without us joining their ranks so I too will agree to disagree and hope that moving forward, we can entertain more civilized and constructive discussion.

Sincerely & Respectfully Yours,

Miguel Denyer
Founder
The Institute of Protection Specialists & Security Contractors (IPSSC)
“Semper Praesidium Caterva”

My SINCERE apologies to J Salva, Miguel and to the members of this forum. Lets just call it even and agree to disagree.

Peace

Norm Bettencourt

I have just re-read this entire (lengthly) thread and I must say this. WE HAVE ALL BEHAVED FOOLISHLY HERE, MYSELF INCLUDED.
What I think, as we are ALL professionals who each seem to have our individual areas of expertise, is that instead of being so dead set on working against each other, we would do much better working together and learning from each others strengths and weaknesses.

I am actually embarrassed for my abrupt behavior in this thread, I have not set a good example here for anyone.

Charles you are one of my dearest and closest friends as well as a dedicated student of mine, and I should have demonstrated more self control in my words here.

Is this the example we want to set for our students…I think not.

I allowed myself to be drawn into this argument as opposed to remaining level headed and simply stating my opinions. I made insults, and that is not professional. Im man enough to admit that.

I am a loyal man, and I was standing up for my buddies, I however did it in the wrong way.

I apologize to both Mr. Salva and Mr. Denyer for my unprofessional insulting bahavior and words. I also apologize to my students for setting a bad example.

I think this whole event became a testosterone infested pissing war.

We are all great at what we do. We all believe in what we do. There is no need for us to fight and piss on a tree.

I believe that a lesson is learned here and that is as teachers we need to curb ourselves and set examples. We are all passionate about what we do. That passion however seemed to turn into a foolish debacle.

Gentlemen, we all need to get along. We can and should learn from each other.

My sincere apologies to ALL involved .

As always be safe…and keep it real.
David D’Antonio
C.U.T.S.
Critical Urban Tactical Strategies

This is an answer to your question on who would kick whose ass of your list. That is an impossible question to answer, and it even depends on whether you are asking it from a sports or a reality-based fighting perspective. If it is sport, it is a mute question because it depends on the knowledge and skills of fighting within the RULES of that sports venue.

Since anything goes in a real street fight, it is a combination of cunning, situational variables and the elements of surprise. On one day one of your favorites on the list would win and on another day that same favorite on your list would lose. (And yes, I am including the so-called invincible Bruce Lee.)

Hope that answers your question.

Respectfully,

Charles Prosper
“The Street Fighting Sifu”

I think I need to put my two cents into this. What I knoe from my personal experience (I have bounced in many types of clubs as well as have worked in teh third party protection business and in loss prevention/security consulting). There are many levels f bouncing and depending on the venue you are working in will dictate the level of force that you will need to use. I think Chris mentioned that point, which everyone seems to have conveniently left out in their criticism of this well trained man. Yes true, if you work in an upscale club your likelyhood of ever having to do more than escort a drunk off of the premises are slim to none, however, there are clubs that are frequented by the less desireable of folks and I have bounced in thos eclubs as well. I have bounced in biker bars, after hours speak easy joints as well as stip clubs that are not of the main streat gentlemans club genre.
These are the places that a bouncer is going to have to incorportae all of those skills that Mr Roberts speaks of. I have had to not only break up fights, but also have beenattacked, have had to disarm knives and guns and have had to hurt people.
This is not bragging, this is fact.
Now granted, in the upscale clubs ,yes, a “bouncer” (who is more a glorified door man id checker) is there in a detect and deter capacity, nad is there to reduce liabilty. He willnot fight anyone and will use minimal force as the clientele is not of the kill or be killed click.
These are the type of people that go out looking to get into a fight, they certainly are not running to the police to press charges on a bouncer for getting their ass kicked….its just another night to them.
The college kid at clube trendy who gets pounded by a bouncer is going to sue.
Again its all about where you work.
The karate guys (and I use karate as a generic term) for the most part will not have the aplicable skills needed to survive in a street encounter. You can learn skills nedded to be a strett savvy fighter. You can learn to harness killer instinct.
I think the assessment of Bob’ article was unfair, taken conveniently out of context and biased to make the critics look good.
Bob is a more than compitent fighter, bouncer and a true warrior. Unless you know the man…shut up.!